That can be asked of new players with false expectations of EVE.
They expect the game to change to accommodate them, rather than adapting to accommodate what the game is.
As an analogy, its like starting a game of chess, and getting upset your opponent takes one of your pawns, and then demanding pawns cannot be taken anymore.
“The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.”
What should they do in the face of an unfair circumstance? Submit? Quit?
I dont agree with this sentiment.
A reasonable man seeks both to adapt to the world, and adapt it to himself.
An unreasonable man does neither. As unreasonable, he cant do either.
It is unreasonable, to expect unreasonableness to result in reasonableness (as progress).
Example: Galileo was reasonable. The men around him, where unreasonable.
This question is based in an unfair circumstance occurring.
What is unfair in EVE?
We should rename NEW EDEN in NEW PURGATORY.
Would be more realistic!
Gotta disagree.
Missions are PvE - it’s between the player and the game AI, there is no competition happening with other players. That mission offer is strictly for the player who requested it. The agent isn’t offering that mission at the same time to multiple players saying whoever completes the objective gets the reward. The mission site only spawns for the player who accepted the mission. The site can’t be scanned down by other players.
Now the location of the player ship can be scanned and found due to the scanning mechanic which imparts a small aspect of PvP to mission running. However if mission running is done in a secluded system with no other players in it then that automatically negates the PvP aspect.
The same can be said about Exploration sites being completed in systems with no other players.
The same aspect applies to Mining in systems where no other players are present.
Invention is strictly PvE, same as Manufacturing and Reprocessing. The player is interacting with the game AI, not with other players.
Since no other players are in those systems, all collected items are PvE and have no PvP effect.
The LP Store is also PvE. I’d like to say buying and selling NPC Trade orders in the Market is PvE but unfortunately it’s also available to and influenced by other players at the same time, regardless if those players are in the same system or not. The only NPC Market order that’s not affected by PvP is skill books.
Oh yeah, the NES store items are also strictly PvE as well.
Undocking in Eve is consenting to PvP. This is a well known fact. Like it or not, this is the way Eve works.
You may want to partake in PvE activities, however the game is quite clear about the fact that the game will not stop you from being killed by another player, even in hisec. The game is about consequences, not roadblocks to stop things from happening. Suicide ganking as an example is an integral part of the game and always has been. The game doesn’t stop it, but it does provide consequences.
I’m all for wardec reform if it’s done properly and with consideration of all views.
Oh, and the idea that all wardec alliances make their money from botting supers is just hilarious. Unless someone hasn’t told me about the 20 nyx’s that I own…
I’m going to have to stick up for both Marmite and vendetta here too.
Neither of them (to my knowledge) have been accused of botting to fund wars.
That accusation was leveled at pirat explicitly.
Every major merc corp is going to be tarred with the same brush, surely you realise that?
Not that you’re going to find much sympathy anywhere.
or just not like join a corp and be in the npc faction corps seems more logical
Perhaps I should have clarified a “good space game”. I know some enjoy elite dangerous, I found it to be one of the worst space games I’ve played in ages. Also it lacks a mmo feel to it.
I had it on pre-order as well and I was hoping for good things from it, like you I found it a massive disappointment.
Yeah not many other large scale space games on the horizon. X4 Foundations (Not holding my breath after how awful X-Rebirth was), and Star Citizen (If it comes out, and that’s a big IF) And absolutely zero mmo space games.
So what? PIRAT has been funding their activity via botting which raises legit question if the other merc didn’t do that too. I didn’t said they surely did it, I said it is possible.
Hmm okay I wanted to argument with something, but I actually don’t know all the 1.0 systems. However I do know lots of 0.9 which are very lucrative for mining as there are no stations so the belts are really juicy with no rats around. And I think there can be just as good combat sites (sig) as in 0.5 (correct me if wrong). You can have a POCO in that system as well (though hs PI is crap).
Now if you make 1.0 immune to wars, I can see a lot of industry corps building fortizars and azbels here without fear of them ever being destroyed.
I think that would be not ideal. Imo, if 1.0 were immune to wardec then there would have to be added some restrictions like the ones at Jita maybe or less severe.
EDIT: yes so there is 1.0 near jita, with wardec immunity it would be possible to employ trading cita that cannot be destroyed. I am not involved in those cita tax wars but I bet those fighting that guy who is constantly employing 0.1 citas would have problem with this idea.
EDIT2: Amarr is 1.0 as well hehe.
There is zero proof that any activity has or hasn’t been funded, if there was then the people in question would be banned.
It raises no questions, one person caught botting doesn’t instantly mean the whole merc community is ‘possibly botting’. Statements like this causes people to believe it could be true.
I’d dispute whether it’s a legitimate question or not. It’s quite an accusation to throw at a group without the slightest shred of evidence to support it. We might be many things, but cheaters we are not.
I know that PIRAT were convicted in the court of Reddit of botting, however I still haven’t seen any actual evidence showing banned characters or anything like that. Just 'cos they’re Russian doesn’t mean they bot #notallrussians
The problem is, such a game would be boring. EVE survives becausr of the player driven market and the hands off approach of CCP. In a more PvP centered game, you wpuld have less cycles of destruction. Without such, you would need NPC buy orders to help control the market and economy. It would simply become a grind/raid fest.
Kill 5 space wolves and return thier tales for x gold. Mission complete. Rinse and repeat till you level up to go kill 10 space slimes for their goo. It would just be another WoW clone or the like. Right to the point everyone is doing the max raid for the max gold for the minimum amount of fun till they get bored and never log in again.
It’s the cycles of destruction and construction that makes EVE work. And yes it can suck when you are on the destroyed side, but pick yourself back up, figure out what you did wrong, and try again. It’s what we all did and why we are still here. It’s also why EVE works.
I’ve been a member of this community for almost 10 years so I don’t need a meme recap about this game. Your statement that undocking is consent to PvP in this game is only true if other players are present in the same system. A player can very easily bypass the PvP aspect of this game just by being in systems with no other players.
I agree this game use to have consequences for actions but most of those have been eliminated by CCP catering to the Instant Gratification crowd.
Anyway, my reply in this thread was in opposition to the statement that all PvE activities in this game are directly linked to PvP.
Thats very good point. There is zero proof that any activity hasn’t been funded via botting.
CCP won’t tell us it was funded by botting even if they ban the botting accounts. It seems they are not even tracing the ISK/assets movements at all. And if someone is funding their activity via botting he obviously not gonna tell.
But there is easy way. If this accusation offends you, proof how do you fund your 500 wardecs each week. Then there will be proof and no more accusations will come.
That seems like a foolish idea. There are several ways to pay for wars…
Buy PLEX and people will complain pay to win and try to eliminate PLEX.
Mission or incursion, then people mad at PIRAT will go after their mission characters. Why would PIRAT risk that?
POCO empire, same deal why risk letting people know what to target?
Merc contracts? You don’t tell who your buyer is, that’s part of the job.
Loot, they probably get a lot and one or two officer mods pays for a lot of crap war decs. And yes go sell an expensive purple mod in Jita. People watch the market and will Dec you hoping to get such loot.
So why should PIRAT tell anyone where their income comes from? It’s not like Marmite or the Orphanage, past groups who did the exact same thing ever told general discussion where the money came from. It’s just part of life on EVE. Don’t like it… Figure out a way to build a bigger boogie man and drive PIRAT off.