No mate, this is basic debate 101 and you suck at it hard enough to get mercs to agree with one another.
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Obviously you failed to completely read my replies since my examples explicitly stated being alone in systems with no other people.
By the way, all materials for Manufacturing comes from PvE content which can be done without being affected by PvP.
Your troll attempt reeks of jealously.
Put that in your CV.
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Im just saying you opened the door for text walls with that one, meladdio.
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And are you saying it’s not true?
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LIterally?
Hmm probably it could be theoretically possible, but Im cant see it in practise.
Guess it all depends on your location within the game and the time zone that you’re logged in with.
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I was thinking more about the basics.
How do you decide what to manufacture, and what do you plan to do with it once its finished.
Manufacture munitions to be used personally.
Manufacturing and Marketing are two different activities in the game.
Whilst gathering the materials can be done without direct pvp, I put it to you that safely gathering materials cannot be done in that way without knowledge that other players may seek to pvp you so you can mitigate the risk.
Does that sound right?
That gives rise to an indirect effect on at least one other player, the one you deprived of a sale.
Thus it could be considered to be PvP because you are affecting other players by your actions.
I know what you’re trying to get me to admit but the whole scenario is based on being alone in one of many systems all contained on one server.
I gave examples of PvE content that can be done without being affected by PvP. That was it, nothing more. I never said Eve wasn’t a PvP game.
No! It’s griefing and scaming, as a dirty parody of PVP.
Form your perspective, the PVP is taking candy from a baby. That’s it.
True PVP in EVE is Alliance Tournaments and time to time happens in Low-, -Null-Sec brawls.
Undocking in EVE isn’t PVP, because PVP requires an interaction between tow players. I’m repeating myself. An interaction between two players! On undock you just can’t lock me. I can refuse to interact with you. I’m canceling the PVP. I can fit a ship that you’ll never lock me. I can be in a system with 1000 Stiletto hunters and they’ll not got any PVP, cause I’ll avaiod their PVP, until DC, lags or EVE crash. I can undock a blindly tank Marauder, being under NPC corp flag, which will tank the end of time. But in this case you’ll ignore my PVP. Do you see what I mean? You can sit near a station in a Tornado, with the pompous PVP flag, as soon I’ll undock a Crane you’ll begin your PVP. If I’ll undock a Marauder or a BS/BC, you’ll dock as fast as possible. All these poor actions are called: scamming and griefing. At the same time they can be called as a sort of pathetic PVP.
and vice versa
Lets say I’m in a ship under cruise control of Auto pilot. I’m AFK. I gone for a cup of coffee. You just suicide ganked my auto piloted ship. It’s not PVP. It’s PVE. You acted versus my ship under server AI. When Miners are farmed by CODE it can’t be called PVP. Most of them are AFK or complete defenseless. It’s PVE. You shoot at unpiloted ship and just after that are counter ganked by AI - other PVE entity. When you gank a 5 bil hauler isn’t PVP. It’s a pure classical robbery and piracy. This isn’t good for EVE, this is good for a victim’s concurrent. He just lost 5, 10 bil of ISK, but every of you just lost a ‘wash tube catalyst’ for 3 mil ISK.
Mining, Salvaging, Missions, Incursions aren’t PVP. I can gain some ISK from that, I can gain some loot from that. It can be stored in stations, without any interaction to other world or players. No PVP. It gains some uncommon PVP aspects as soon I’ll drop those items on Sell Orders. This is why in that diagram, I’d posted above, the Marketing is under PVP arrow section.
Another good examples of true PVP are Null-Sec wars, FW, Dueling, Combat brawls where all ships are combat. BjornBee, Suitonia, Zavrox doing just ok PVP. YES, that is PVP.
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No it doesn’t.
Going by your interpretation, then I’m affecting those players when I’m not logged in since they’ll be deprived of a possible sale.
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Then we both agree thesame situation exists, you just choose to call it a situation devoid of PvP and I call it a situation that only exists because of it.
Its cool to have a different point of view.
You’re actively depriving someone of a sale by making your own ammo, that is economic PvP.
Not logging in is not playing the game at all, ergo your argument is invalid when we’re talking about ingame PvP.
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So, this began in EVE with the Renting Empires?
Haha, yeah ok.
Come on man, now you’re clutching at straws in an attempt to support the premise that everything in this game is PvP.
Going by the initial context of your statement, not logging into the game is also a form of PvP.
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I’ll take your rebuttal as further evidence that you’ve never accepted the reality of the game you choose to play, something that has become obvious over the years.
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