I didn’t, I spoke for myself. I was very clear about speaking for myself. You’re the one who made the assertion that getting shot at is not fun anywhere.
EDIT: flagging posts that don’t break forum rules is against forum rules. quit it.
Listen, if you’re going to troll then you should stop posting.
I specifically spoke of MYSELF and only used the words I in the post you replied to telling me I put words in your mouth.
I’m not trolling. You edited someone else’s post with the caveat that you ‘fixed’ it so that it was making the assertion:
“Wardecs make people do something else than play eve because it simply isn’t fun to get shot at everwhere”
You made that edit.
Believe it or not, it’s possible for people to disagree with you, and prove you wrong, without trolling. If I was actually trolling, I wouldn’t even be engaging with the conversation. So I strongly recommend you go read up on the definition of trolling, because this isn’t it.
EDIT: flagging this post as off topic just for the sake of hiding it is not just against the rules, it’s also salty and cowardly. don’t do it. if this post is off topic, than the accusatory one it’s in response to is as well.
It is a fix because wardecs do not make the only place vulernable to attack gates. Unless you are asserting that the only risk a wardec has is at gates which (believe it or not) isn’t true.
If that’s how you meant it, then you are correct, but if you want to get technical, then you are vulnerable to attack everywhere all the time, regardless of wardec status.
As someone who’s operated under one wardec or another for since I began playing, I can say with confidence that virtually nowhere in highsec or any sec becomes a risk to me or my operations. I understand that players are only vulnerable to wardecs if they make themselves so.
So I teach players how to continue operating under wardec conditions, and how to fight them if they want to. Less players are quitting the game because of my efforts. I’m also not the only one doing this, so when people tell me that wardecs are chasing players away and not providing examples of any kind at all, you need to understand that I am going to look upon them with disdain as someone who lacks the knowledge of the game and its players to form such a conclusion.
You seriously can’t read…
I am saying you can drop corp. I am saying people are dumb for thinking they have to log off for a week.
Avoiding a war dec by DECIDING to log off for a week makes someone dumb then while a perfectly logical game mechanic. Thinking they can do this does not reflect on the intellect of the individual.
For the record, whoever is flagging my posts, I recommend you not do that. They aren’t breaking any forum rules, they are entirely inoffensive and neutral, and ISD can see who is flagging.
EDIT: Daichi, that wasn’t intended as a reply to you, that was an accident.
THINKING THEY HAVE TO and TELLING others to is dumb and indicative of poor leadership.
Seriously most of your posts are born of not reading what is written.
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Do you want to fly while we are in war and risk your ship? No.
Do you want to stay docked while we are in war and risk nothing? No.
Do you want to drop corp and continue so the war has no effect on you? No.
Do you want to play an alt and continue so the war has no effect on you? No.
Then the only option left is log off for the week and have a nice break.
This would result in every checkbox being gone thru. This would still make someone dumb and a poor leader by your assertion.
Given that all the options given are false, and leave out a range of other options to continue playing despite the wardec, yes, that leader is rather limited in their understanding of EVE’s mechanics, and is more of a hindrance to new players than a help.
So if a player doesn’t want to fly while in a war, doesn’t want to sit docked for a war, doesn’t want to drop corp to avoid a war, and doesn’t want to play an alt for a war.
What is your solution?
My solution is to teach them that a war doesn’t have to stop them from playing at all, and show them how to continue on despite the wardec, as I’ve always done with substantial degrees of success.
You gave a set of conditions that deliberately preclude anything but logging off. That is known as a loaded question. If a player wilfully decides to stick their head in the sand and ignore or deny all the ways they could still play the game they don’t get to pretend that they ‘had’ to log off. They didn’t have to. They chose to log off.
And making that as a choice is valid, pretending it’s forced is not.
@Remiel_Pollard Your example you keep trying to push isn’t a good one because by your own words the war happened because they were in low sec to start with, thus making them not a pure high sec corp to start with. Pretending like them coming back into low sec when they already were going to low is something special is silly. (The fact you keep trying to push a singular corp as some kind of common narrative isn’t a good sign to start with btw, surely if that’s normal there would be dozens you could use)
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That would be asking them to fly in a war which they already declared they don’t want to do due to the risks that are added beyond basic eve mechanics. This would be covered by offering them a ship to lose and to not worry about it. If it explodes then it happens. And they still said no then you just repeated step 1.
I’m not talking about them going to lowsec, I’m talking about them engaging with the war. What sec of space they are in is entirely irrelevant to that. In fact, I’m wrong, it’s very relevant. They are all new players choosing to go to lowsec to fight a wardec. It’s showing of their attitude. Additionally, their new players were going to lowsec out of ignorance. They didn’t understand the dangers. To them, it was just more EVE. I helped them understand the dangers and taught them all a lot about EVE, including how to operate under wardec conditions, and how to operate in lowsec. They are not, however, the only example of a corp I’ve helped to get their footing in the game, they are just the only example I have some degree of evidence for.
No, actually, it’s covered by explaining to them how to mitigate the risk of flying in a war. If they still don’t want to fly, then they don’t have the right attitude for EVE, and their choice to log off and never log back on is the right one, because the game isn’t for them.
Staying docked would allow you to do research, invention, play the market, refine, have a nice chat with others in the game, and other things I am probably not aware of. It would also include the possibility of being the chair in a citadel. These can be covered by the leader of a corp during war if they so desire.
Dropping corp and playing an alt are self explanatory.
A good leader will ask all these questions but still be “dumb” by your blanket statement of anyone telling someone else to log off for a week is dumb.
A great leader will find a way to make an answer yes or find a way to end the war so their corp can get back to normal.
So never decide someone is dumb or intelligent for telling someone they can log off for the week.
Kicking people away because they don’t agree with your playstyle 101. I’ve actually taken a vacation while in a war dec. I came back, the war was over, and there was nothing happening otherwise. I was told to go ahead and take a vacation. I did. I came back refreshed and ready to do more things than before.
But this is not what eve should be to you. That does not mean that is eve for everyone.
Except it’s not irrelevant just as you said.
You already have picked a group that are likely to fight because they were risking venturing into low sec.
They already are not a highsec corp, thus are a pretty irrelevant example when talking about highsec corps.
Sure it’s great they engaged etc, but it’s meaningless to the highsec side of the discussion.
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