Was ganking ever buffed?

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Classic!

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People don’t appreciate when I play the violin either.

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When I mine, I don’t even allow others into the same belt with me. Can’t tell them to move, so I usually switch belts as soon as someone else comes in.

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Wrong. The money has gone the moment You did payment to CCP. Check TOS and EULA - everything on the server is not yours, it’s CCPs property. You only buy ability to use something.

And, in general, you cannot convert stuff from the game to real money. There are ways but they are unlawful and lead to account ban.

So, whilst people like to tell about millions of RL USD lost due to some events in the game, all these numbers are virtual. Nobody has lost any RL money.

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If anything that RL money was ‘lost’ at the time of purchase, because it was exchanged for access to a virtual item that could disappear any second (as it does, if you get ganked). And you agreed to that. Voluntary.

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You’re joking yes?

Anyone investing real money into the game to buy plex for ships/fittings etc has absolutely lost/wasted money when said ship is destroyed.

They paid real life money to exchange for in game currency.

Buying a ship with something earned in game is a different matter.

That’s, let’s say, $50 dollars straight down the drain but according to your logic, they never lost it? Well it’s not still in the bank is it, or in their pocket/wallet. It’s in CCP’s bank account.

It’s exactly like going into a shop, buying something then losing it on the way home, it’s lost money/money down the drain, whatever you want to call it.

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I disagree. I’ve bought PLEX several times and the transaction completes when I receive the PLEX. That’s all. I buy the PLEX. I receive the PLEX. The entire real life cash interaction is completed the moment the PLEX hits my account. Everything beyond that is just me playing the game. None of the actions after that point have anything to do with “losing real life money”.

No matter what happens in game, it has nothing to do with the PLEX transaction. It’s simply me playing the game.

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You’re technically right, but practically wrong—and that’s where most of these arguments faceplant.

Yes, under the TOS and EULA, CCP owns everything. We all get it. We’re renting pixels. But if I buy 20,000 PLEX directly from CCP for ~$700 and convert that to ISK, then use that ISK to buy a titan, and some clown in highsec or null blows it up—I have lost something I paid real-world money for.

The legal ownership may not transfer, but the economic value sure as hell does. This isn’t a philosophical debate about digital property rights; it’s about consequences. I spent money. A thing I paid money for was destroyed. That’s a loss.

If someone buys a Ferrari and immediately drives it into a wall, they don’t get to say “Well, technically I lost nothing because I already gave the money to the dealership.”

So yeah—your ship isn’t worth real money until it absolutely is, the moment you buy it with PLEX. You may not be able to “cash out,” but you definitely cashed in.

Don’t pretend burning a $700 titan isn’t a real-world loss just because CCP holds the deed. That’s like saying a casino chip isn’t worth anything just because you can’t legally spend it.

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There are no Titans for sale on the New Eden Store. You can buy PLEX, but you cannot buy a Titan. There are no deed holders. CCP only sells you the PLEX. They do not sell you ships.

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If you use that plex to buy game time I agree, nothing lost.

If however you use it to buy items then get them blown up, you lost that money.

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A real man would gank them

Every second you are playing EVE you are losing money as could be earning money instead.

The fact that you pay to play to lose money is insane.

There are expections however such as Zaera who doesn’t need money.

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You got to play the game, didn’t you? That’s what you paid for. When you buy PLEX you don’t actually buy ships/assets in the game. You buy game time (leaving the cosmetics out for simplicity’s sake). You always only buy game time when you buy PLEX. If you don’t need this game time yourself, you can trade it on the in-game market with other players. That’s no longer a real life money transaction!

At the end of the day you never bought in-game assets with real life money. Only game time. You traded it to other players because you didn’t need it. Nobody forced you to trade it. But the fact of the matter is – nowhere in your real life currency transaction was your money tied to specific in-game items that you then consequently lost.

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What you do with plex after you buy it, is irrelevant. Because it can only be used for adding game time (again, disregarding cosmetics for simplicity’s sake). If you don’t use your plex for game time, then someone else will. Thus it can’t ever go to waste.

I plex my account. I don’t pay for it with real money. You are paying for it, guys who buy plex to sell on the in-game market. You’re paying for my access to the server and I am using this access. I can assure you, your real life money isn’t lost anywhere.

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You’re doing mental gymnastics to avoid a simple truth: EVE assets have value—and not just “sentimental” value, but actual, market-backed, player-driven value.

Yes, when I buy PLEX, I’m technically buying game time. But when I trade that PLEX for ISK, and use that ISK to buy a ship, I’ve effectively converted real-world money into in-game assets. The legal semantics of the EULA don’t change the economic reality: those assets cost something, and that cost originated in real currency.

No, nobody forced the trade—but the outcome is undeniable: a Titan isn’t just “pixels” when it represents $700 in PLEX someone bought. It’s a digital item with time, effort, and monetary cost embedded in it. That’s why killboards post real-world dollar equivalents. That’s why “$10,000 battles” make the news. Because people know the value is real, regardless of legal ownership.

Trying to pretend EVE assets are valueless because of a technicality in the TOS is like saying casino chips are worthless because they’re not legal tender. Try throwing them on the ground and see how people react.

You don’t have to like it, but stop gaslighting people who recognize that loss in EVE can absolutely feel—and function—like a financial hit.

Just agree: EVE assets have value. We all treat them like they do. Let’s not pretend otherwise just to win an argument.

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The whole idea of EVE is for people to lose ships. There’d otherwise be no economic sink forcing the building of new ships and the EVE economy would grind to a halt.

The important thing is to make sure it’s other people losing the ships, and not you. That is the very essence of EVE.

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How did this work for you when you ganked?

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And there are so many avenues that lead to that end.

Anyway, I found actual footage of a “known ganker” encountering law enforcement.

(Disclaimer: This is a joke. No real gankers—or law enforcement officers—were harmed in the making of this meme.)

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There ya go, fixed it for you.

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I was paid to gank :slight_smile:

You can add ‘mercenary’ to my list of epithets.