There is another issue too. When you start a new character you already start with like 500k SP. Why?
I donât even know where this is going anymore. Iâm outâŚ
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Imagine if ships required only the skills that gave them a bonus and that these skills had no requirements.
In that case a new character could train Marauder to 1 and Battleship to 1 and fly a marauder on day 1! If he could afford it.
But making these ships more accessible SP wise means their price is likely to go up and more people potentially flying for example marauders = more marauders getting destroyed.
This will make standard and faction battleships obsolete you say? No, they will be more cost effective. Besides there is a lot of content that restricts which ships can enter even tho i am against that in general but thatâs a different discussion it seems.
However the price of skill books should probably be increased a lot if this was concept was introduced. That also acts like a bigger ISK sink.
As mentioned earlier getting a new player conceivably being able to get into a marauder in the first week, assuming he had the ISK, makes him more likely to commit to the game compared to if it gated behind millions of skill points. Thats all. Have a nice day.
Most new players nope out when they see this
Approximate Marauder training time for a new player with omega subscription
Imo training for example marauder level 1 shouldnt take much take longer than for example Amarr Frigate level 1. However it should be expensive. 65M ISK is not high enough or the marauder skill book in that case. The idea is to get people grinding for ISK and that being the limitation of what they can fly, not having to do 3-4 months of skill training first.
Because you need to STFU.
If you are not drysonâŚ
Then learn to play the game!!! or Fâing uninstall and STFU and GTFAâŚ
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What is your problem?
Well thatâs where you and me disagree.
Why should a newbie train into an advanced battleship as easily as into a frigate?
Your suggestion completely messes up the progression system EVE has. ISK is not a replacement for a progression system.
Youâre not listening to any arguments that say âno, becauseâ, and instead of defending your ideas you simply repeat them.
This naturally irritates most others in a discussion.
I think that is Maxâ problem here. He refers to Dryson, who is another poster who creates a similar thread atmosphere with his suggestions, but then because of the unhinged takes of his suggestions. Now Iâm not saying all your suggestions are like that, but the idea in this thread is reminding me of Dryson too.
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I already explained. For example it will not be as easy.
Youâre not listening to any arguments
Its not me that isnât listening
Are you aware of the paradox known as Malcanisâ Law?
Malcanis, an EVE player of note from back in the gameâs early days one posited âWhenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of ânew playersâ, that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.â
Your idea is no different.
Hereâs just one method to abuse the hell out of your proposed changes.
Create 2x new account. Join one of the major blocs. Train one into a HIC and the other into a Recon to light the Cyno. Point and subsequently Suicide Dreadbomb bridging Titans on the undock of their Keepstar.
Tackle ratting supers and ditto dreadbomb.
Cost to me? A couple of weekend Omega passes.
Benefits to me? Endless salt and tears from downed Titan and krabbing super pilots, mass hilarity from my dreadbombing mates.
Under current mechanics, Iâd have a lot of other stuff Iâd need to train before being able to train into HICs or use HIC Bubbles. Sure, I can inject a pilot to those skills, thatâs going to cost me substantially more resources.
That is a very specific and unrealistic circumstance nevertheless i donât see what the problem is
I have 4 emails and over 300 acctsâŚ
Think out of the box on your ideaâŚand you will see how stupid and ignorant it isâŚ
and then cease on this journey of self destructive harm(hopefully)
Why not explain why its âstupidâ instead of behaving like that
Which of the following is more likely to make someone stop playing?
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Having the ISK but not having the skills to fly what they want
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Having the skills but not having the ISK to fly what they want
Do you have any other game that you install and when you boot up you can instantly get ahead and join players whove been playing for years?
Based on your posts and âsuggestionsâ this is clearly not a game that you enjoy in itâs current state and nothing you suggest will be heard. Either youâve parroted the idea from others or they are original (theyâre not) nothing will change that you are typing and suggesting.
Nothing unrealistic about it. Itâs happened before, itâs happening now and it will happen again Soonâ˘.
Spy accounts training into HICs for the purposes of killing Titans and Supers has been A Thing⢠for a long, long time now. Itâs not just major blocs doing it to each other. Itâs also smaller groups doing it to the major blocs.
It used to require a fair bit of time. A couple months of training.
Now it just requires enough skill injectors.
Under your suggestion, it would require a weekend omega pass.
Malcanisâ Law would hold true, as it always has,
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That is more of an issue with HICs and Titans. If CCP doesent change that as well corps can do more careful recruiting of players.
Seems like you are ignoring players need ISK to obtain stuff
And why shouldnt new players be able to join older players? Assuming they had the ISK
And you can already use isk to skip the training if you want so whatâs your issue
This shouldnât be a problem then
When you sub you should be able to train any skill you want and the ships should not require 3-4 months of training before you can use them. End of story.