What are we doing here?

Your in ours we are in yours , is that not how eve works.

In a much more interesting alliance than yours right now doing a bit of spying.

Well I think Iā€™m me, I have spoken to aiko in game ( I mean she just insults me) so I hope we are different people but then look at fight club and how that turned out .

Btw I hear Aiko is on onlyfans , not sure itā€™s true :smiling_face:

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Yes, she invites miners she ganks to her onlyfans.

That means she likes you , like a dog likes flees.

Nooooo. The pod people make you look different. If youā€™ve ever been podded in Eve then it was the pod people taking over your bodyā€¦

Eve is a PVP game and gankers like to pvp. So I suggest a change that obviously gankers would support to increase pvp. Allowing pirate corporations (repeat criminal offending corps) in hi sec to be war decable so they can have more pvp. The people who commited the actions should be the subjects and carry the consequences to any corp they join (they can quit into a npc pirate corp) until it runs out with a grace period to allow kicking trolls from your own corps.

If you donā€™t support this you want daddy concord to protect your ability to select no risk targets because the mechanics are badly designed after two decades of economic changes making suicide ganking ships relatively incredibly cheap.

In addition it would make sense to extend the suspect window for rapid repeat criminal offenders. Both of these changes make sense in lore and would add more PVP for everyone including the gankers and allow people to actually respond. There would be risk and interaction for piracy in hi sec. A dynamic environment, imagine that, with gosh anti pirate corporationsā€¦

Currently there is no active way to combat piracy in hi sec as suicide ganking in response or kill rights are not economically viable so the police protect a group of criminals who can select theirs targets from a group who follow the law. You can see this in the killboards in the WILD loss ratios. This kind of risk free target selection doesnā€™t occur anywhere else. It is mechanically bad and thematically lore breaking. When there were fleets of identical ships running around null with impunity avoiding fights they didnā€™t want that was considered bad mechanically and the ships were changed. The same thing occurs in hi sec and its due to bad mechanics.

If we donā€™t support changing the way hi sec ganking works we admit eve ainā€™t a ā€œPVPā€ game. We literally donā€™t want more PVP. So we can admit at least in hi sec its a game about griefing with ā€œcare bearsā€ on both sides.

At no time in the rambling responses above did anyone suggest there was any counter play to interact with gankers. The suggestions were to avoid being the target. So we all admit the mechanics are bad.

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Why not remove CONCORD from the game entirely?

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You cannot play a law-breaking pirate if there are no laws to break! :wink:

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Seems fair. I mean I only ever see people complain that gankers hide behind CONCORD, so if CONCORD is gone then people can fight gankers all they want and finally push them from the game so hi sec is safe for everyone!

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Please correct me if Iā€™m wrong, Iā€™m no repeat criminal offender so I have little experience with that type of gameplay, butā€¦ arenā€™t you already free to shoot the repeat criminal offenders at any time due to their negative security status?

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Laws should be created and enforced by players.

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What a load of nonsense. And why are posts of the sort you posted always posted by 20 day old accounts with zero killboard or any indication you ever undockedā€¦always contain the phrase ā€˜counter playā€™ and always start off with a bunch of non-sequiturs that the reader ā€˜hasā€™ to agree with or they are the reincarnation of Ed Gein. I detect a whiff of ā€˜not an altā€™.

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Counter-play to piracy canā€™t exist as long as the immediate response to pirate activity is outsourced to a scripted non-player kill trigger.

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I fixed it for you.

Recall the time where even attempting to hide in NPC corporations did not lend to 100% Concord protection.

Much better idea.

Maybe and its a hell of a lot simpler. Although you will want to protect new bro corps.

Well thatā€™s the rub, isnā€™t it?

Some people solely want player groups to do so (eg Eve Uni, other player run newbie programs), others want hardcoded game mechanics, and here we are two decades later with the same tired debate.

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Thatā€™s what nullsec is for. It works very well.

Eve should and does provide environments with different rules for different playstyles. The game should not be all null, all wormholes, all lowsec, or whatever.

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I disagree.

The existence of Highsec is an abomination which undermines every other part of the game. Nobody should be able to hide away AFK autopiloting and protected by bots.

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Just go play in null if you want an environment with player-created rules and laws. Why does it matter so much to you how other people play when these other environments ostensibly more to your liking exist, are popular and very viable?

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If you want to play without PvP - go play on the test server.

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