What do we have, if not freedom of expression?


In 2017, CCP Falcon announced a significant shift in forum moderation: simplifying the rules from 36 to just 9, aiming to foster a more open and candid environment for discussion. (EVE Online)

That move signaled a commitment to trust the community with more freedom to express themselves, within reason.

Lately, though, I’ve been wondering: have we drifted from that vision? Are we still encouraging open dialogue, or have we become too cautious again?

This isn’t a complaint, just an honest question. What do we have if we can’t speak freely, respectfully, and constructively?


Double topics about the same issue. Did the other one get closed?

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I can’t keep track. Did it?

Up right click on “Notifications and account (your character icon)” → “Profile” → “Activity”.
On the following page switch from “All” to “Topics”. Now you can find your topic and keep track again.

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Is a forum spammed by chatgpt posts still constructive and respectful communication?

I think not.

Does it encourage open dialogue if some forum posters post random barely related content that they got as output from an LLM?

I think not.

Is it bad for the forum environment if bad posts are hidden and removed?

I think not.

This forum allows for a lot of freedom of expression, as you say ‘within reason’. I don’t think this has significantly changed.

What has changed is the addition of a new style of low effort post that seems to plague the forums lately.

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For the sake of argument, let’s say you’re absolutely right about everything.

I think the more interesting issue isn’t what’s being said, but what isn’t visible at all.

There are clearly mechanisms at play behind post visibility that are hard to talk about openly.

Maybe one day we’ll be allowed to discuss that too.

Well said. Adding to this: interestingly most people only occasionally get their posts hidden (including myself, and usually it is deserved) while some rare cases a person seems to constantly face such events (again, for a reason).

Maybe a better question would be to figure out why such happen to those certain people and how they could improve their posting habits to avoid such things to happen.

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This comes back down to the “freedom of speech” not being compatible with “privately owned platform”.

Nowhere on the open internet is there any sort of freedom of speech and even in the depths of 4chan you’d have posts removed.

The main issue with discussing it is that as soon as you do, some hyperbolic will immediately rush in to accuse you if wanting to normalise “hate speech” or even darker stuff, then at the same time “free speech absolutionists” are in complaining that “you get jailed for a tweet these days”.

The internet should be used with more caution than face to face, not less, as what you say online is always on record in some way (the EvE forums database, the wayback machine, etc) yet people assume the opposite; that they have more freedom of speech online - after all, no one can punch you in the face through the computer.

I believe that we don’t really have free will in any case, whether it’s outside or online; we will always be guided by external factors - You know you can’t criticise a foreign regime for war crimes because you know you’ll be railed for it, similarly, you know you can’t reject society and live in the woods with the tree-folk people because they’re all dead and their lands are now privately owned.

So all I can really do is observe the last days of Rome play out, while trying to minimise my involvement as much as possible when the ringleader eventually abandons the circus and the lions start eating the clowns.

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Currently the only open dialogue we can offer is wordsalad @Uriel de flame

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You assume much.

I’m sure that your Royal Obsession would never participate is such activities…

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As usual you don’t even consider the feedback and just continue the usual. No wonder your posts get removed. :thinking:

Safe to assume that is to the surprise of no one. :face_with_hand_over_mouth:

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That feels a bit ironic, considering how feedback is often dismissed from the other direction too.

It’s easy to be comfortable with the rules when they work in your favor.

Just to clarify—are differing opinions no longer welcome here?

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You (and everyone else) come to this forum thus you are the one who should abide by the rules not the rules be tailored to your personal preferences. As the rules are clearly stated it is easy to abide by them, if you decide to… or don’t and you can see what happens.

As explained through the links I’ve posted about the forum software in another of your threads, no post is hidden permanently without moderator confirmation. This means regardless if your posts are flagged or a moderator sees them and takes action, there is a reason those moderator actions occur.

Being a demagogue acting as a victim instead of having an open mind and trying to work in accordance with the rules is the very reason your posts get removed. Why else barely anyone ever face such issues? Something worth thinking about… or don’t and act the same way and receive the same results, the choice is yours.

As this is (yet again) not a constructive exchange as you just continue throwing out tantrum replies there is no point continuing and there is no reason either because…

Several people here provided you with useful feedback in this thread thus your question is answered and have the information to avoid the issue.

Whatever you do with this information is up to you.

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Have you even considered the possibility that the “rules” might not be applied consistently?

How does it make any sense to hide a post that simply says “RESERVED”?

Whether or not it eventually gets restored isn’t the point — the act of hiding it in the first place reflects a larger issue.

And let’s not pretend that ISD members are somehow beyond criticism. Accountability should apply across the board.

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Instead of shouting on the forums all over, as explained in the same thread I mentioned, you can privately ask under the post hiding notification comment section what was the problem with the post that it got hidden and a moderator might reply there in private.

You don’t do that because you want to rant openly and cause trouble for no apparent reason aside of spreading pointless drama all over the forums.

:thinking:

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Might? I love your confidence.

God, I’m so glad you that you know EVERYTHING I’m doing and how I do it…



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If you keep spamming, they will ban you again.

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Will you get away with discussing forum moderation…again?



Who, exactly, do you think I am, sir?

I’m not discussing forum moderation. You are. I’m just asking you to stop, and reminding you that you’ve been banned from this forum repeatedly.

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I think you’ve been sniffing too many paint fumes.

But I’m sure you’re just trying to get this thread shut down.