They’re Navy Faction ships, not cosmetics.
@Ulysses_Redmane
May I point out that Day 14 is the fastest to train all the T1/T2/Pirate ships.
But most newbros don’t even know that.
So, they start from the get go from behind.
If you didn’t get your referral code. Welp [No free 1M skillpoints]
If you didn’t come in with a bit of cash and knowledge . WELP the starter packs 1.5M +.5M skillpoints are not on the table.
And if you didn’t know from day one you could make your skill ques and training time faster via attributes and skill plans + implants and boosters [WELP]
So the newbros are being robbed by other means.
And are missing critical opportunities that would allow them to stay in game.
Even lets say I simplify the skill training to the faction they want to specialize in…7 days maybe if I don’t mess up my calculations. The best faction would be Gallente because so many Pirate factions touch that tech tree. But is there a guide for newbros on this no.
So we have an 89% failure to launch in the first week? With an additional 50% loss by the end of the first month? If I was running a company and this was the market issue. I wouldn’t be fired, I would be arrested for criminal negligence! If I was lucky someone didn’t put a hit on me!
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All good points and an astute observations. That’s why it’s so difficult to pick out small or “simple” changes that can fix the complex problem.
@Ully_Loom you are kind of late to the party onthat front.
Jokingly I call the seige mode “Going Trig”
LOL am I? I don’t recall saying that ever. Can you point out where I made that claim?
I get it bro. You backed yourself into a corner and are trying to get your way out 
I’ll wait while you correlate your claims with data
Huffing that quafe again huh?
I don’t know about “simple changes”. I’m too new to the game and not competent enough.
But I have to say, I have tried to understand this game and the community that forged it in all these years, and at some point I believe there has to be no shame in admitting that what’s happening is not a deterioration of the player base but simply a generational shift.
From what I gathered, this game was forged by nerdy-hardcore-PvPers, willing to embrace the full weight of the challenge, but for modern gamers I think this is no longer the case.
Real life is already hard as it is and new players are simpling trying to find a cool space mmo in which they can PvE/Co-op (see Warframe, Destiny 2…) and eventually PvP, but without the continuous stress of insta-death after undocking.
Things like “you agree to PvP as soon as you undock” or “don’t fly what you can’t afford to lose” or “if you get angry after being ganked this is not the game for you” are badass things to say but are not appealing at all to new players. Those concepts are just perceived as obstacles to simply having fun, and no one wants to pay a monthly subscription for daily doses of pain.
If it’s true that the actual playerbase is low and assuming that CCP has to embrace new needs from new type of clients, then it’s not affordable to lose any new player. The game has to change.
Besides, I guess a lot of veterans have moved on with their lives and don’t play EVE anymore, and the ones who still play will always remember the “good old times when…” and will never move on anyway.
In truth many of the people who go on about what a hard game Eve is and that it is hardcore PvP hardly play. For example an especially nasty troll that I have blocked, called Gix Firebrand, go and look on zkill, last kill was two months ago and ventures too, and yet he will will go on and on about PvP undock blah blah blah. You are spot on and I say that as a vet.
And I stopped in September too. 
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You’re challenging my assertion that people have quit because of it. It’s quite implicit and playing coy doesn’t change that. You’re just wasting both of our time.
A challenge isn’t a claim LOL.
You can’t point to where I said it, cause I didn’t.
Its ok bruv. I realize since I answered honestly, there is no where for you to go
me who sold him over 500,000 antimatter charges. which he can prove
So you have no real point to make here whatsoever? What a perfectly worthless conversation.
You must have fallen asleep in Philosophy 105 because I responded to your argument with a reduction to absurdity. Since then you’ve done nothing but dance around in circles and insult me like a jester. Dance little man.
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Yeah but see that’s just objectively not true. Those phrases are exactly why I came to this game two years ago and stayed. That’s what makes eve mean something, the loss and the challenge. As a space sim it’s crap, nobody is here for that. What you need to understand is we would rather have 15,000 concurrent players who like the dangerous world of eve rather than 100,000 who want a mining simulator.
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Ahh.
Thanks for letting yourself slip.
I was wondering about that
I made my point already. And you know it stands. Hence why you’re wiggling
Again it isn’t my fault you made claims you can’t back.
They don’t tho.
What’s hilarious is when they finally get what they want, they’ll end up quitting shortly after and not even understand why.
No, it doesn’t, because you’re implying that nobody in the history of EVE could have possibly quit over a scam. For someone that mentions “red herrings” you sure are fond of logic fallacies, like when you misrepresented my argument by claiming I said EVERYONE who quit got scammed. So if you want throw around fallacy names you’d better be able to back it up because your argument isn’t structured all that well either. Now, either start arguing in good faith or shut up.
I actually didn’t say that. I’m sure people have cried and quit over falling for something they could have prevented
You just posted loss stats and claimed it backed your hypothesis, when it is clear it does not and does not suggest that at all.
The thing is bruv, you know I’m arguing in good faith and you aren’t. And you know that I know that you know that I know
I know who are you as well And I know why you’re doing this
You do seem to be getting a little emotional bruv. I suspect that shuttle must have been pricey
Simply put, any player who gets scammed, tis the person who fell for the scam’s fault. Simple as that bruv.
Now I did say if you felt strongly about this, you could spend time in rookie chat, educating the nubs.
Curious that you don’t seem to want to do that
I’m aware that you’ve been avoiding actually making a real argument this entire time, especially since I directly asked you about it and you continued to avoid making a real argument. What you are doing is classified in a textbook as an argument from ignorance which is, in fact, a logic fallacy. So where’s your claims of red herring now?
You know that there’s rules for this kind of discourse right? I mean you must because you mentioned one of them by name. Or are you someone that just regurgitates whatever garbage you happen to hear that allows you to pretend you don’t need to actually have any premises for your own conclusion?
Huh. I don’t think I claimed that either
It’s ok bro. I know why you’re going the jargon route
Heh. Yennoe, I wonder if you know what always gives you away. I would tell you, but I find it too funny to just cackle when I see it
I’ve made my stance quite clear. Getting rid of scams wouldn’t increase the playerbase.
Instead, teach the nubs how to scam
This conversation is over. You couldn’t argue your way out of a wet paper bag.
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I thank thee for conceding young sir!
Your attitude is exactly why this game is bleeding players and as long as you continue to be a bad actor in the community it’ll never stop. You drag everyone here down with your behavior and you quite literally had to resort to gaslighting when called out. Everyone that reads this thread can see what you’re doing. You can be as smarmy as you want, but your opinion isn’t worth much compared to the opinions of all the people you just put on a show for.
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