Man
i feel really sad for you
It seems obvious that you did not meet some of the nice players which can be found in many places in eve, in null/lo/hi/Whs etc
But you know, the fact that you only met bad people doesn’t mean that every player in eve is bad… extrapolation is a bad idea
You should maybe try another game, i am worried about your mental health now…
Believe me, there are plenty of nice players, ready to help newbies for free. Maybe you have never met one of them…
I assume he meant putting you down in EVE. Because otherwise, it sounds like a real-life threat that can be reported.
You stupid Idiot lol

But you know, the fact that you only met bad people doesn’t mean that every player in eve is bad… extrapolation is a bad idea
There is no doubt there is some good people out there, i am a testament to this, however, it does not mean by any ways because they/we are in the game, that we are half, or a majority.
Undoubtedly, we are few in number these days.

There is no doubt there is some good people out there, i am a testament to this,
Ok naari
For some reason I’ve avoided this thread until now. I don’t know why, but most likely because the title of the thread to me, poses the wrong question/challenge. Here’s my TL;DR: TL;DR: It isn’t our role to get more people to play EVE. That’s CCP’s. But as a community, we can do a lot to help keep people once they find the game. Longer response: It’s CCP’s role to bring people to the game. It’s in their best interest to do so and they have marketing professionals to help with that. However o…
Good people dont scam their alliance for items, isk, plex, etc.

i will put you in your place if you dont simmer down.
Bring it on. Let me guess, in addition to being a “game developer” you’re also a navy seal who can kill with ten thousand different weapons? Or are you a ninja who knows a hundred different martial arts? I forget what internet tough guy idiots are claiming to be these days…
Naari Naarian killed Jimmy Hoffa.
I disagree with that statement.
Piracy, scamming, wars are done by a few people in the game. It gets the most attention because let’s face it, everything else people do is just boring and not worth talking about.
So-called “bad news” always gets more airtime hence it appears to the outsider that never actually played eve or don’t understand how it works “like yourself” that there is a rampant epidemic and something is terribly wrong. Most players in eve are just happy to go about their business and progress in the game/corp/alliance and build up wealth. While the other 10% just wants to kick down your sandcastles.
I also needed to point out if you do stuff and run structures on your own. When a group of them come to push your stool in and pop your structure you always going to feel like you were outmatched and outclassed…, and rightfully so. It cannot be expected that one person can defend himself and win against the many. Even though I have proven that statement wrong in my past life as Cannibal Kane many times.

Piracy, scamming, wars are done by a few people in the game. It gets the most attention because let’s face it, everything else people do is just boring and not worth talking about.
Piracy i am going to consider things like suicide ganking. It is highly active in high sec. It is way bigger then you think and any of us that were around since eve started (or even since 2006-2007 when all these things started) knows just well the hand of privateers and the consistent breeding of offshoot and competitive entities that engage in this abusive form of game play. thats just mentioning alliances (like code, privateers, and so on). Then we come to the topic of goons and their very cleaver idea of mass production in null at lower rates, and mass death in jita burn events to play with the economy and become uber rich.
As for scamming, its very persistent in eve. Iv seen it in the game since 2005, before that it was more “theft” then scamming. Please dont downplay this issue until you have metric data about it. Btw, i think ccp has significant amounts of data about this, because they always push this lie that it is good for players.
The situation they present is “if someone is scammed they are more likely to keep playing the next month”, however they do not talk about what happens over the next few scam event, and how ultimately the game loses its population to that sort of thing. Sorry, but this is not healthy for the game, not in any meaningful sense. Im sure you could spin what ever lie and story you want, but that does not make it truth.
By the way, if this was true the population would be growing, and all we have seen is a constant decline of population, since the inception of the age of scamming. So this seems to suggest that this form of game play has little to no benefit to the game, if at all any impact (be it positive or negative), and its far more likely people will quiet (many youtube videos are evidence of such things over the series of many games).

So-called “bad news” always gets more airtime hence it appears to the outsider that never actually played eve or don’t understand how it works “like yourself”
Or there is another possibility, that is the media stations are attempting to indoctrinate people with an idea. If you follow the last 50 years for example, you will see how there is a constant new “boogie man” out to get us. news stations are notorious for lying, to the point at some of them have gone from being news stations to being “entertainment”, ie they were officially changed from those titles to titles by the government because of it.
Another more important point you are overlooking here is that even if the above was not true, often those same “bad newslines” result in justice, a concept almost non-existent in eve. This is by far the biggest lie propagated by eve, that namely, a universe filled with evil is some how good. I Cant help but think about the biblical terms in this case, that “good will become evil, and evil become good”.
Please do not true to propagate this ccp-centric idea, I will never agree to this point. Good is only brought by good, and evil is only brought by evil. Never, in any situation can evil bring good, only less evil.

It cannot be expected that one person can defend himself and win against the many
Why not? If he/she can put in the effort to maintain that structure, why should they not be able to defend it themselves? At least in this case against a few morons running around the game as goon alts doing exactly what their alliance has claimed they were here for “to kill eve”.
In this case i do not agree, and i definitely think that person should be able to protect it, Actually a step further if its in high sec it should not be checked to begain with. its entire existence should depend souly on some sort of upkeep cost (like the old pos system and how it required faction specific items to keep them going in high sec).
that being said i’d much rather just make stations a corp specific thing, requiring multiple people, and a lot of commitment to build to start with.

abusive form of game play
Highsec PvP is not abusive just because you don’t like your farming being disrupted. There are plenty of ways to evade or fight back against it and it primarily hurts rich idiots who should know better.
Please dont downplay this issue until you have metric data about it.
Then why do you get to hype up the issue without any metric data about it? Why is your ignorance better than everyone else’s speculation? At least the people defending scamming have claimed metrics from CCP, you have even less than that.
Sorry, but this is not healthy for the game, not in any meaningful sense.
Oh look, the “prodigy game designer” once again demonstrates his ignorance of game design. Scamming in EVE is healthy for two reasons:
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It creates bad guys to hate. You aren’t fighting against an NPC that is just a mindless red icon on the overview, the bad guy is another player with goals of their own who can feel pain when you hit them back. This adds much more depth to EVE’s interactions, depth that is lacking in so many other games.
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It makes being the good guy have value. Who cares if you are “good” if the game mechanics do not permit “evil” acts? In EVE those labels have meaning because they reflect genuine player choices. A player with a reputation for honesty has earned that reputation by willingly declining the opportunity to benefit themselves through dishonest means, not because the game mechanics force all transactions to be honest and the GMs ban anyone who finds a way to scam someone. And so being the good guy is a legitimate achievement to brag about, not just a choice of good or bad faction at character creation.
But I’m not surprised that you don’t grasp these concepts. It’s entirely in line with your efforts to devalue success in highsec by removing even more PvP and turning every PvE accomplishment into a meaningless participation trophy.
By the way, if this was true the population would be growing, and all we have seen is a constant decline of population, since the inception of the age of scamming.
No, you are an idiot who doesn’t understand how math works. EVE can still suffer a net loss of players despite scamming gaining and retaining more customers than it drives away if other issues are causing losses to offset it. For example, if each month EVE gains 5% population because of scamming and loses 6% population because nullsec alliance gameplay is stagnant and boring then that’s a net 1% loss. You can’t assign a cause to it without information that you do not have access to.
Why not?
Because, unlike you, Commander_Kane understands basic game design and balance. Any mechanic that can allow a single player to win against many players will immediately be abused to give the larger groups overwhelming power.
And of course in this context you also have the issue that structures are low-interaction passive objects, and giving them sufficient power to defeat an enemy fleet turns structure battles into mindless NPC bashing instead of PvP.
Actually a step further if its in high sec it should not be checked to begain with.
The last thing we need is even more proliferation of useless structures that can never be removed.

If he/she can put in the effort to maintain that structure, why should they not be able to defend it themselves?
Because merely maintaining a structure as a single player should not grant you the magical power to defend against a dedicated group of attackers who want to take it down. I thought you said you were a game developer with many years of experience. I find it weird that you can’t seem to understand why that would be bad for the game.
He mostly works on Candy Crush spinoffs.

Btw, i think ccp has significant amounts of data about this, because they always push this lie that it is good for players
Source or stop rumour mongering.
Because I’ve certainly never seen CCP claim what you are trying to say they have.
So… You are trying to claim falsehoods in order to hurt there image, you seem to know the law, remind me what criminal offence that is again.
I said my piece. I am not going to respond to Naari tinfoil hat moment in comparing a game to real world. When I am in EVE or the forums all relationship with the real world ends. You cannot bring that mentality into a game designed around the exploitation of resources and people in this dystopian sci-fi universe. I understand not everybody comes into the game with the same mindset but as a noob, my first kill in game was killing a can flipper… and it felt good. JUSTICE.
EVE to me has always been designed around you getting Justice, for yourself or others. Getting CCP to do that is a slippery slope and we have already seen these kind of changes having a lasting impact on players. Over my years in game it is getting safer every year.
I said it many times before, I don’t hate anybody in the game never have. I have my nemesis in the game that I would like to pod but they never undock or they hide from me. For years now. But the day I meet them in real life I will buy them a drink and lol about the crap we got into together in EVE. Maybe it is time for you to think like that as well Naari?
And no… Piracy is not just ganking, it is anything that puts another player at a disadvantage in-game with the intention of getting some booty. If I wardec somebody for isk in order to get him to pay me to go away, that is piracy.
Anyway enjoy the rest of the thread. My golden monocle will keep an eye on your movements in game. In the Immortal word of Kane… “Why hello there OP.”

any of us that were around since eve started
Ummm, Jan 2018:
You can edit the post away, but it still exists.
He’s just gonna claim it’s an alt, that you got trolled, or any other explanation so that he cant be wrong.
Hey! dont knock the crush, its killing it! =X
These games make insane money and are insanely popular, you know.
Yeah…so does heroin…popularity is not everything…profit is not everything…both properties in a thing do not on their own justify a thing as being good…