Well, if EvE isn’t a PvP game…
…then what is he complaining about?
Oh, I get it. EvE is not a PvP game, but the devs don’t understand, so they are forcing PvP down his throat, and it’s NOT FAIR because it’s not a PvP game!
Is that the argument?
Cant find the refernce in 2003 atm, but this might state my Point of a living breathing universe. Not just a PVP game. EVE Online I EVE Fanfest 2022 - A Living Universe - YouTube
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Calm down miner.
Its Still not Just a PVP game this is where you are wrong. Team Fortress is a PVP game, COD is a PVP game, with no infrastructure to build , create and supply new weapons, they just respawn. The part of eve that is PVP could never happen with out the support of all the builders, and Manufactures, these are the core of EVE. PVP is possible because , these players enabled it so.
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The game dispenses a perfectly good corvette if you press a button in the station. You can even repackage it to get a second gun. So yes, EVE most definitely is a PvP game, since all of its industrial aspects are secondary to the game’s core experience.
Anyway, “I don’t have a source, but I’m right and you’re wrong because I said so,” etc.
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That’s not true, corvettes are free.
There’s no such thing as a „collapse of PvP if people stopped PvE/mining“. The uncomfortable truth is that all of the biggest builders I’ve had the chance to meet, also PvP heavily. Doesn’t matter if the person I met did high volume faction ship construction, capitals, subcaps, T2 modules and drones.
There’s only a tiny subset of builders that believe „everyone is only PvE/mining or only PvP“ but those folks miss the fact that a sandbox means most people do PvP and only just enough amount of PvE/mining to get them through to achieve their PvP aims. Especially now that the passive moons are gone.
The „we only mine and so the whole universe is full of people that ‚only do X‘“ is a minority echo chamber. If you Talic stopped producing and people like you did as well, all the PvPers who also happen to build/mine on the side would simply reap the higher prices and continue building anyway, and PvP losses would continue with higher value lossmails and thus more excitement.
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An interesting read. Reminds me of when I 1st started playing.
“expensive beer” Now we know why the sub cost went up.
Never said you post too much. 
That was actually a quote of yours that I now cannot find. (Shouda bm’ed it 
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And the Brits have better bitter beer! (That should start WWIII. 
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I miss them as well…
So I went out and got Australian last night? 
I think the Irish have you beat for stereotypes!
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Guilty of that as well.
This is Bull Poop. I Never made my own ships. Im a Alt 
My main relys on builders, that dont do PVP, and most of them never have, They provide us the ships so we can fight. My Main, dont Mine , Dont Rat , Just Fights, and when i lose a ship The Builders and miners of my alliance, Provide. Oh and by the way never bought a plex in my life. Never Will. Im old school.
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Just had a nice little Bowhead ejection happen. The pilot docked up, dropped corporation, and logged off. Probably forever, if I had to guess:
That’s one miner that will never “provide” any ships to the “fighters” ever again. But I do thank them very much for their valuable contribution. To my wallet, that is; a contribution that I pledge to use to grief out of the game play with as many such juicy little munchkins as I possibly can! 
BUT WAIT, THERE’S MORE!
No sooner did I dock up to start sorting through the veritable Halloween candy bag of a Bowhead that was so generously gifted to me, that I spied with one of my 156 free Alpha account little eyes another concerned ursid shambling out of the woodwork:
Maybe if the “killer” that I “made interested in killing again” was there to protect these gentle creatures from my malice, things would’ve turned out a little differently. But thankfully he wasn’t, so the wife and kids won’t be going hungry again this week!
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Nah.
What’s bull 
is living in 1 alliance in nullsec and thinking “this is the way the whole universe operates” and then being too scared of your own opinion that you feel the need to post it behind an alt, so you can feel safe calling the opinion of someone who has lived in 2 different coalitions in nullsec and 2 opposing FW groups the last 2 years and talking to the indy folks “Bull Poop”.
I might still be wrong but if you’re right it’ll be because its a broken clock scenario and not through any of your experience (singular).
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That’s not the way it works.
If you pull facts out of your backside, you have to prove that they are true.
And most importantly
Your thoughts should be flushed
Looking at the star map…
Many null systems are indistinguishable from high sec in terms of kills after normalizing FW . Except there are certain null systems where most solar systems have zero kills. Further, in null, vast numbers of systems are arranged in single threaded chains limiting ingress and egress to two points. Looking over at zkill all of eight Rorquals have died in the past week - in all of EVE !!!
So what is this Golden Age people speak of? Was it truly golden or just the novelty of the moment? A new love that filters out all blemishes?
Null is the true land of carebears with principalities carved out as little havens where mining, exploration, ratting and industry all have special protections. Monopolies are where the resources have the highest value because supply is limited by the franchise awarded by CCP. Monopolies stifle growth and innovation to the benefit of a few.
Blaming your opponent of your own crimes is the oldest RL political maneuver in the book - works every time. Null by its very nature limits resources and players. Null is where your Golden Age lies captive.
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Very Good
To be honest, I wasn’t here for Eve’s “Original Golden Age”, I may not qualified to comment on a solution here. I wanted to support a statement.
@Hans_Devin you are probably correct with this statement;
I started playing last year and had no huge issues learning the game. Playing with the big map and changing what displayed on it, I quickly saw that EVERYONE is clustered in the center. Gankers and miners alike hold to gates set by the auto-pathing system. I was told by a good friend who plays, to avoid using auto-pathing and forge your own trails in space.
I am running massive amounts of kernite in my super-sized haulers with absolutely no resistance. I have blazed my own trails from Jita to Amarr to DoDixie to Rens and Hek. I mine the kernite in Ventures places with 0.4 security and less completely undisturbed by players… and the raiders hold no power over me. You can scope out the kills on me, my last mistake was taking a shortcut through Miroitem with a Miasmos. That route was recommended to me by the auto-pathing system.
Don’t be sheep, make your own way.
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Sssssshhhh! Don’t tell everyone that Skylar!
Yeah. Hi Sec definitely isn’t the problem. That’s why HS gankers kind of annoy me. Not because they ever kill me. It’s the hypocrisy.
They always blame people staying in high sec for their boredom of “not being able to find anyone to pirate.” But they don’t go out into Null to look for blue donut carebears.
Why? Because when a convoy of haulers comes out of null into high sec, they’re either very experienced, or they have an escort, or both.
They should just admit they’re looking for an easy fight. There are plenty of hard fights out there, if that were what they are really after.
The game is only fun for them on the lowest difficulty setting.
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Aiko spends quite a bit of time in null:
nullsec killboard
Adrian Vexier spend time in null:
nullsec killboard
Kusion when he is playing, also spends a fair bit of time in null:
nullsec killboard
It’s true of many other gankers also.
There are plenty of posts over the last few years complaining that gankers are alts of nullsec players.
It can’t be true that they both “don’t go into null” and at the same time are alts of nullsec players. Similarly, it can’t both be true that they “don’t go into null” when many of them have active nullsec killboards.
Convoys of haulers tend to be alts of a single player and most of the ones I know often just autopilot in highsec.
I’m certainly not claiming to know them all, so maybe it’s all of the others that fly in convoys of multiple players in highsec, but in the groups I haul for, highsec isn’t where they pay much attention.
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