What happened to the community?

Take 10 leaders in every field (pve, passive income, null pvp, low pvp, high pvp, j-space pvp, low level industrial, high level industrial, alliance/coalition diplomats and strategists, etc) and have them formulate some ideas in a proper format with a decent peer reviewing system. We need a New Eden Enlightenment of sorts to formulate the future. We’ll get much better content and much better answers to problems that we’ve been sitting on for years.

That is how we ended up with one of the best expansions ever, Apocrypha. And it was made in just a few months.

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Everything moved faster back then because they had also White Wolf devs they used as spare manpower. CCP was a lot bigger. Since then they downsized a lot, CCP is half of their former manpower that was around 2010 or so.

With constant failures came downsizes of dev crews and then community devs, and community followed, leaving, like disgruntled customer. Instead of EVE community dying out, it will shrivel up to a half-dessicated cow, feed moldy HyperCores and milked by last member of CCP, Hilmar himself, with PA manager standing nearby shouting “강하게! 강하게!” in Korean. The community will be sprouting on forum occasionally, for example in a form of Scoots Choco. Nobody will want to touch the almost-skeleton cow eventually and Hilmar will one last time milk the life away from it and pass everything, just a few drops, to his Korean master.

Party while you still can, the orchestra is still playing. :partying_face:

Apocrypha was made by very few devs, in a very short time.

Repeatedly, staff were shifted over from the former to work on expansion projects for the latter. At times, our sources say, the entire WoD staff was put onto Eve, particularly during the development of 2009 add-on Apocrypha.

Something I agree with you on. This is absolutely the problem with the industry. It’s not “games for gamers” anymore, it’s “games for profit.” Show me a AAA gaming company whose CEO is someone that actually has played games their whole life.

I think EA finally just realized this with Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order. No gimmicks, no loot boxes, just a good game game, that seems to be selling very well.

Agreed again. CCP has had many opportunities over the years with several ideas for content that were never fully implemented, or finished, that quite possibly could have made this game the game to be playing in the mmo genre. Too costly? Too time consuming? Too technical? I imagine a little of everything, but had some of those things been added over the years I’d be willing to bet they’d have enough of a player base today that they never would have implemented some of these “non-content features” (cough cough skill injectors) we have today.

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Whats ironic is that successful or even good companies (like blizzard etc) have ceo’s with degree’s in business, even though they have extensive code capability.

Blizzard used to be good. Unfortunately, it’s not Blizzard any longer, it’s Activision/Blizzard, and Kotick is sure as ■■■■ dragging that former great game company through the mud.

Bethesda might actually be even worse. As much as I don’t like Todd Howard, I can’t put the fall of that company squarely on his shoulders. Robert Altman is one shady individual, and quite honestly probably should be in jail, but there he is running another once great game studio into the ground.

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Its a rough world as the founder / ceo of a gaming studio, believe me.
Production companies have a massive monopoly on it, and they have their hands in all of it. You gotta get good like (make your own game) minecraft good to avoid that drama.

Oh, so now you’re escalating your fraudulent credentials to claiming to be a CEO/founder?

what part of “Working on my game” did you not get?

The part where a CEO/founder is doing the coding work that normally goes to an entry-level software engineer instead of dealing with high-level management concerns. Either you’re lying about the whole thing, or you’re a one-person “company” and adding a meaningless CEO title to fluff up your credentials and impress people who are too ignorant to know the truth.

Or we are a small Indy team. Why do we have to be massive?

Wait, so now im a ceo that is fluffing my position to be better then what you said im not, ie a dev? Like i said, you really need help at this whole debate thing.

Because “CEO” by definition involves high-level management work that only exists for a large business. A CEO for a small team is a CEO in name only, usually someone trying to fluff up a resume for their next job or pick up dates at a bar.

Wait, so now im a ceo that is fluffing my position to be better then what you said im not, ie a dev? Like i said, you really need help at this whole debate thing.

It’s not that complicated. I’m pointing out the fact that even if we grant the incredibly generous assumption that you’re telling the truth about being a developer you’re still lying about being a CEO. There is no escape from the conclusion that you are a liar and a fraud, only the question of exactly how much lying you are guilty of.

So you dont like that im a ceo, because i dont run a company with a few hundred people or more, and there for ceo means nothing?

Ya, i dont think it works that way there captain dumbass.

Because you said so?

I Got it, your opinion is now ultimate truth?

Yea… I think not.

No, I am simply pointing out the fact that you are not a CEO in any meaningful sense of the term. Whether I like it or not is irrelevant.

Because you said so?

No, because:

  1. “CEO” has an actual definition that involves high-level management work that does not exist for a small team. Yes, you can make a low-quality mobile game in your free time and call yourself the “CEO” of your one-person company but that doesn’t make the title anything but empty boasting and/or dishonest resume fluffing. So, given the fact that you admit that your company is a small team, claiming to be a CEO is lying.

  2. You have claimed to be doing hands-on coding work on this game, something that is far outside the scope of a CEO’s job responsibilities. You can put “CEO” on your resume all you like but if that’s not the work you are doing then you aren’t a CEO.

(That is, if your game/company even exist at all outside of your own imagination, which you still have yet to prove.)

Yaw…nnn…

I think your salty because you know your company is on its way out and dont like the fact that you know im right :wink:

I see we’re back to this tinfoil hat nonsense about me being a CCP alt again? But if I’m an alt of the CEO doesn’t that mean that I’m far more successful than your “small indy team” given the fact that CCP has made millions in profit and just sold for almost half a billion dollars? Sounds like “my” company is doing way better than yours.

The simple fact here is that you have nothing but lies and ignorance and can’t provide any thing more than “LOL UR SALTY” when called on your lies because there is no truth behind any of it. You are a fraud and a narcissist and should be ashamed of yourself.

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That could only be validated by me launching the game and failing to surpass your income, or population rates.

Not really all that hard to do, considering kixeye is over there launching 3-5 million price tag flash games that are putting out more pop and income then you could of dreamed over.

kinda makes you really feel like the pleb you really are, dont it?

Yaaaawn. Empty boasting is easy, don’t waste our time with this nonsense until you actually launch a profitable game and are willing to name the games you have worked on. Until then everyone will believe, with good reason, that you are nothing more than a narcissist and a fraud.