What is Causing EVE to Die?

[Bladewise]

@Eloken_Toralen

In my first 6 months of eve, most of the people I played with left because the ‘optimum’ stragetgy for defeating the wardecks was to go back to playing world of tanks until the wardec was over. None of us wanted to PvP, we were just a bunch of scrub miners and industry folk who looked at PvP as a net loss activity.

No the optimal strategy for defeating wardecs is looking at the attackers killboards, see what their intentions are, see what ships they’re bringing, and ■■■■■■■ wipe the floor with them when they come for you citadel. Expecting it to be anything else is pure entitlement.

@Eloken_Toralen

Whilst my experince is not representative, moving to Null was our last attempt to avoid the war dec mechanic, as groups like P I R A T didn’t go into null. Took awhile for people to get the message to stay our of high sec, but by then an Orca or two had been lost along with the players that flew them.

That’s the thing, you shouldn’t be able to avoid PvP at a certain level of success. Sounds like y’all got to that point so grats. But yea, welcome to Eve my dude. If it were any other way all your PvE ventures would be literally worthless

@Eloken_Toralen

Nothing of value was lost. High security war declarations are declared articles of war with defined rules, not the machinations of a bunch of randos doing elite can flipping on the hope to gank an unwary pilot looking in an abandond can.

One of the oldest and most emblematic communities was lost. The suspect system only seemed unfair because folks join a game where every single system in the game is meant to facilitate people blowing up each other’s ships and then are surprised when they get their ship blown up. You fail the realize how many incredible fights used to happen because of suspect baiting. It was a MASSIVE nerf to content and removed more playstyles than probably any other singular change.

@Eloken_Toralen

Neutral 3rd party logistics was an ugly shade of grey that needed to be removed. Fight, or do not fight, under no circumstance was it ever appropriate for a conflic to have unagressible logi just parachute into the middle of a conflict without any skin in the game.

This space bushido ■■■■ is literally the oldest and most cucked ■■■■■■■■ in gaming history and it’s so ■■■■■■■ silly. NOBODY TAKES FIGHTS THEY’RE NOT SURE THEY’RE GONNA WIN. Like literally nobody. Without shades of gray, content would never happen.

@Eloken_Toralen

They probably just watched the eve video where you join the corp of your enemy to one day get director roles to clean the corp out whilst everyone is asleep.

You know it’s funny, I’ve done this many times.

@Eloken_Toralen

Good, these people are better off doing other things elswhere in the game.

They literally will just go play league of legends my dude. Y’all are killing the game with this entitled mentality.

@Eloken_Toralen

The blue doughnut existed before the logi suspect change. One did not cause the other.

This SORT of thing. The PvP nerfs started in 2016 and haven’t stopped since. Though I will agree the logi change happened after most of the damage was already done. Still, it did SO much damage to the PvP scene.

@Eloken_Toralen

Factional Warfare, Null. A reduction in Suicide Ganking in Uedama is the natural outcome of an enviornment that punishes people for flying anything worth more than the value of the ships required to kill it.

No it’s the outcome of repeated nerfs to try to keep entitled PvE-minded players like yourself who expect to play WoW in space happy. Except you always seem to ignore the fact that your PvE would be worthless without large amounts of destruction. Hell, we don’t even need PvE only players. Y’all are leeches. You inflate the currency and offer little to no real content in return. It’s WHY suicide ganking was so effective. It wasn’t that it was OP. It was that y’all are clueless about how the mechanics work and there are WAY more of you than is sustainable for a PvP-mmo.

@Eloken_Toralen

Victims of their own success. They got greedy and CCP changed the rules, this isn’t the first time and it won’t be the last.

Literally victims of terrible changes and that’s it. Suicide ganking would still be going strong if it weren’t for these nerfs. These nerfs only happened because CCP is ■■■■■■■ clueless as to what is good for this game. PvE players whine like crazy about it and since CCP is ■■■■■■■ clueless they’re like “sure, why not. not like we have any better ideas”. Notice player counts still dropping to all time lows every year?

@Eloken_Toralen

Actually we try and get them before they learn bad habits in High Security space, and to show them there is no “Police” force more effective than one where miscreant troublemakers can be shot first and questions asked later.

You mean you try to get PVEers. You don’t have PvPers. You might have people willing to PvP IF THEY HAVE TO. But you don’t get players logging on every day looking for real content. Just krabs looking to krab. Much like yourself it seems.