What is Causing EVE to Die?

Solo here.

Not wondering, not looking in, having fun by playing how I wish to play.

Or am I playing the wrong way?

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CCP will decide. :wink:

:eyes: :psyccp: :smiling_imp:

Did you even read what he said?

Oh for God’s sake. Why are you even in a game where there’s combat and war and people lose stuff ?

Please follow them, rather than hanging around and poisoning the well.

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I agree with most of what you said but not this part.

You can do just fine as a solo in that you play without friends (or ā€œfriendsā€) and you can play this game super casual. You’re not going to be able to do all or even most things in EVE but that may not be an issue for quite a few people, they might not really be interested in those play styles begin with or even actively dislike it.

Some people’s RL might be so hectic that they’re really just playing games to unwind and be on their own for a bit, so someone doing brainless play styles like high sec mining is completely valid. Some people might have issues dealing with others for whatever reason and ā€œjust want to be left aloneā€, again completely valid.

The difference is that some people are capable of being honest and rational by accepting that things might just not always go their way, that the game isn’t really optimised for such a mindset and there will be people who (because of their efforts) will do better than them. The problematic ones are the folks who believe that there should be no consequences to their choices and want the the game to be something different than it actually is, to then (for literal decades) write 17 page essays on the forum trying to justify why their lack of effort should be rewarded with participation trophies.

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you disagree with

Cant, as in can not?

are you saying instead ppl DO seriously say you cant(can not) play this game solo or casually?

asking cause my statement says the opposite, that ppl DO NOT seriously…hence the no one at the beginning of that sentence.

TL;DR of this thread and every other thread like it: EVE is dying because of the different, opposing and often contradictory pet peeves of old players who love trolling each other.

As a Spanish saying goes, ā€œthey all killed her and she died on her ownā€.

(BUT, EVE should have widened its player base by enabling more ways to play while it could and still meant something. Today nobody needs EVE Online to be anything else than a old minor game withering harmlessly in a dark corner: she no longer is the awesome freaky redhead at the party, she’s the disheaveled old lady who smells of pee and rambles at a bag of onions in the grocery store)

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I forgot to add the last part of your statement, hence the confusion.

You can have fun just fine solo or when playing casual. Different people play games for different reasons and like (and dislike) different things.

Its sort of ironic you saying all that on an account that has just 2 days of killboard activity in the past 9 years. Why is it that those who whine most about Eve invariably post on accounts that either never or very rarely ever undock ? Again and again and again that is the case on this forum.

It’s sort of ironic that a notorious structure basher has the audacity to judge other people.

Mr Epeen :sunglasses:

Well, I suppose the essays could be shorter if people didn’t protest your lack of numbers or support in a post, and then complain about the length when you do provide them.

They’d also be shorter if people didn’t make up lies to represent your position, and then you wouldn’t have to point out their error. I notice how many times you bitterly accuse other people of lying in their posts, but I guess it’s OK when it’s you doing it?

At any rate, whoever you may have in mind, for myself I’ve no complaints that things are not going my way, I’ve no interest in getting or giving participation trophies, and I’ve got no particular playstyle that I’m advocating for.

I just notice that the supposedly ā€œhonest and rationalā€ high-sec ā€œelite PvPersā€ have a vigorous determination to deny all the facts, history and precedents that shows maybe there are better ways to go about the mechanics of EVE PvP and wardecs.

The actual fact is, EVE can and should be doing some of these things better. And the reason they don’t is due to both ā€œelite PvPersā€ and some of the CCP devs who cling to obviously broken mechanics despite all evidence that they’ve never worked and never will.

Now, before you jump on the usual ā€˜assumption’ bandwagon and conclude ā€œhey look, Kezrai is calling for removal of PvP, just like always!ā€ā€¦ you might want to actually read past the first paragraph of some of my posts. Because they’re all about finding ways to get more people into conflict, rather than granting participation trophies for doing nothing. Or making up nonsense theories about how if ā€œjust force the casuals to PvPā€ you’ll somehow create a new wave of PvP corps.

In all honesty, virtually none of the high-sec ā€œelite PvPersā€ even want more combat-ready targets. If they did, they could find all the combat they want in FW, in low-sec, Null, WH and Pochven. What they really want is to continue justifying that giving combat-ready groups lots of weak and easy targets to attack in space where they themselves are able to avoid being attacked, is somehow good and vital and necessary for the game, and is ā€˜the real EVE’.

Which is a complete crock, of course, but this particular essay is already long enough so we won’t get into that here.

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Do you answer every question with an essay?

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I just skip the Kezrai rants.

They are all some variant of ā€œPeople often say I’m asking for PvP to be removed but [insert long word filler] CCP needs to do more to shelter AFK carebearsā€

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The facts you use is really just a ā€œmarmite would sell better if it were peanut butterā€ which is technically true but it’s not a reason to change the marmite brand into tasting like peanut butter.

This is then compounded by the fact that you don’t LIKE marmite, and given that you eat it anyway while proclaiming that it would be better if it tasted like peanut butter means it’s simply self serving reasoning. it’s virtue signalling by ā€œyeah but it would result in more playersā€ while in actual fact you don’t CARE if it attracts more players (not really anyway and don’t even pretend that you do, it’ll be hilarious if you try), you just use it as a means to change marmite into peanut butter.

It’s literal gas lighting while frantically trying to obfuscate it pretending to ā€œcare for the peopleā€ and buried beneath tons and tons of text. Because writing paragraphs of text is really the only thing you have, hoping people fall for it.

At least I’m honest about my statements.

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Nine years, you say? LOL you sweet summer child, I’ve been a part of EVE Online for 15 years, starting in 2009 and winning the game (as in stop giving money to CCP) in 2017.

And for all those 8 years, and in excess of 1300 euros, I played the game ā€œwrongā€ and did everything I could to trust CCP with being capable of anything else than the ā€œcoreā€ game they’ve stick to for all the road to hell they’ve walked so far and they’re gonna walk now that they got themselves 40 million USD in the hook of cryptobros to deliver yet another failed game.

I saw Incarna come and fail miserably, World of Darkness wither in the vine, DUST 514 pull a stunt in the wrong time and system and get shot in the back of the head, Valkyrie and Gunjack have their glory day riding the VR fad until the wave recessed and stranded tnem on the beach, the Tron-like VR pong game be born stillbirth, a FPS die before going live once the first gameplay trailers were released to universal boredom at its dullness, EVE Echoes do whatever little thing it’s doing, and probably something else I’m forgetting or didn’t get the memo of…

And yet I still think EVE Online would have had a better chance by adding Barbies in Space, Little Home in the Space content, new agent missions on a regular basis and appreciate PVErs and highseccers not as poor lost souls deeming redemption from our wrong ways to play, but as the vast majority of low maintenance, high income crowd we used to be.

I still would rescue the damsel for the nth time to grind some fancy miniskirt to shashay in at my space cottage with a view to the nebulae, while nullsec, lowsec and all the other freeloaders play their self important shenanigans on my PVE buck.

But CCP never wanted us, never listened to us and now they’re left with all 22,000 online of you, half of those bots in 15 ship fleets farming plexes.

Par for the course for a company who couldn’t even sell itself to someone who wasn’t even worse at the business of making video games…

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TLDR: Bittervet tears.

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In your opinion which is worse: a Frostpacker wordsalad or a Kezrai (wall of text) essay? :thinking:

:popcorn:

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To submit to a higher power is the only way n New Eden

Wall of Text, Wordsalad has been BLOCKED,

Unblocking fee - 84 billion ISK payable to @Conference_Elitest
followed by some major sucking up to all of us and 100 T2 equiped catalysts each.

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Seems reasonable, though the wall of texts you did not block, so it is worse in some other way.

Is it more painful / boring to read but at least not personally attacking you, thus still tolerable, in opposition with the wordsalads?

Am I understanding this correctly?

Or maybe you just skip the wall of text but some other posts from her are still worth reading while the wordsalad is a constant thus none of his posts are worth reading ever?

:thinking: