You don’t have what it takes to understand boy. People who enjoy Eve put effort in, all of them, at some different levels. You don’t want to put effort, you fail miserably, and you crawl here to whine about vets, how they are mean because they don’t let you kill them. And you want to be respected…
EvE is mother, EvE is father, EvE is all.
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We need to sacrifice him to bob.
There is as much reason to believe that, as there is to hide behind an alt.
None.
You not knowing what a Fedo is further adds to my skepticism.
It is also not about ego. It is, at best, about ego for someone who can not compete. Of course, someone who is unable to compete would believe it’s about ego, elitism, blabla. It’s not, though. When I start a game, I usually play above the default difficulty level for a reason. That reason isn’t ego, but that I’m better than all of those who need to start on an easier level.
Let me explain that for you:
My “fun” requires that something is challenging and that I lose, because without losing there is no improvement and learning. Without losing there’s only winning and winning all the time is boring … unless you’re a loser.
Every time I play a game with a friend, against computers, I make sure he sets the difficulty of the AI up first, and if we can’t manage, lower it then. Learning things when they’re harder is better than when they’re easier. Satisfaction comes from beating the odds, not from winning at all cost.
DOOM2016. No hints, no crosshair, 0.5 gamma (rather dark without all lighting effects). Ultra-Brutal. I had no idea. Took me hours to finish the first level. Managed to finish level three two days later. I actually thought of starting at Nightmare, because ■■■■ yeah, but I haven’t played FPS in ages. Now I think Ultra-Brutal seems too easy already, because level three wasn’t really that challenging anymore.
There’s no game where I don’t try to beat the odds. Engaging NPCs stronger than my “level”, taking quests I “shouldn’t”, etc. Have you tried doing lvl3 missions in EVE in a thrasher? That’s fun! When a game gates me from “higher level content” I refuse to play it, because easy is for losers.
It’s really not about ego. The ones disagreeing with that are the losers who never played 80s games, or sucked at them. They’re the losers who want to win by default, instead of learning how to improve. You just suck and haven’t yet learned to blame yourself for it.
I can lose 100 times in chess and I won’t stop playing, because I need to figure out what I’m doing wrong and what I need to do right. We’re humans. Top of the foodchain. For a good reason.
You’re a human too. Yet, for some reason, you suck.
You want, or rather require things to be easier.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
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Removed some inappropriate comments. Keep it on topic and civil, thanks.
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EVE’s main product is a universe in which players are free to do what they want with the tools they have been given. CCP is there to add new tools or balance tools if certain tools appear to make other tools irrelevant.
It’s up to you to make your own fun in that universe. You set the goals. Your own goals. And if you don’t like grinding, why not set some goals that require no grinding? If you don’t like the idea of losing expensive stuff, don’t fly expensive stuff. And if you don’t like skins, don’t get skins.
I personally like exploring the many possibilities of the game. The small details, the universe. Fitting ships together for a specific task. Keeping my fleet alive with remote repairs. Whoring on kills with drones because logi aren’t on killmails.
I enjoy playing the game right now, but if I didn’t enjoy it, I’d play something else.
Reading your posts in this thread it seems you don’t seem to enjoy the game. Try something new, either ingame or outside of EVE. You’re not forced to play the game.
If you want a civil discussion, you should try to stay civil even when those who don’t know how intrude.
I get that the OP is saying, in effect, “I want to enjoy EVE and play a reasonable amount of time to earn item X, and I don’t want to lose item X to gankers because I made a mistake and I have to grind it all over again. I only want to lose 25% of the value of any item I get blown up with, so that I can get back to having that item again with fairly minimal need to re-grind.”
This is a valid viewpoint. It is the viewpoint of the casual player with limited playtime and commitment to a single game, who doesn’t really mind grinding a reasonable amount for an item, but then gets discouraged when that item is too easily ‘lost’, and they have to grind for it all over again.
This is, IMO, pretty much the mindset that most of todays MMOs promote. Reward your efforts reasonably well, minimize the pain of losses. Considerably more carrot than stick.
What has made EVE somewhat unique over time (again IMO), is the refusal of CCP to bend to this trend. CCP is the only developer I know of that could have made this video and meant it:
The player base of EVE is generally more competitive, more edgy (at least, in the ideal), more detail oriented, more inclined to extremes of planning/scheming/paranoid caution. That’s what makes EVE different from the general run of MMOs today: the playerbase plus the sandbox - plan carefully, avoid losses, man up and recover from them when you blow it.
I understand suggesting “Make it more casual friendly”; but then, why stop at 25% loss? That’s the amount you are comfortable with, but the next guy will say “Hey, I shouldn’t really lose more than 10% of my value”, and the guy after that won’t see why he should lose anything at all.
EVE isn’t about ego, or at least, not any more than other games with competitive elements. EVE is about tackling a hard challenge and having to use your skills and experience and preparation at a higher level to attain victory and avoid loss. Remove the potential loss from the equation and you’ve just removed 1/3 of the value of it for many EVE players.
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My comments, that you deleted, advising people to do just that, were, in and of themselves, inappropriate? Uhh… Ok. That’s all you deleted.
I do, at times, enjoy the game. But…
Yeah, I know about grandfathered T2 BPO’s, that don’t have to go through the new invention process, because I’m a ‘johhny come lately.’
Whatever. The fact is the power imbalance is too large. You should have some seniority, some advantage, yes. But you have too much.
A simple change to the insurance scheme would protect a lot of poorer players. We’d still lose, you’d still ‘win,’ we’d still be getting blown up and be buying your stuff.
But, you don’t want noobs and alphas to have a chance, why? Other than ego?
I note you also left this absolutely racist comment, equating a human being in suffering, to a fedo, alone.
May I ask why, or is that verboden?
When chopping down a tree, there are branches that go along with it that you have no control over. Also, a fedo is this happy little fellow: fedos!
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Fine. I thought I handled the situation appropriately, and redirected it appropriately. Which you wiped out, but fine. Now you just have a picture of a black kid crying.
Good job.
Why are you making this about race? I see a reaction gif to you not knowing what a fedo is.
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You might to keep in mind that most forums have rules about discussion of moderation. It just wastes everyones time and ends up getting wiped or threadlocked.
You might also consider that, if you can’t handle a little resistance without getting bent out of shape, that perhaps the problem with EVE is that it simply isn’t the right match of game for everyone.
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To have a chance at what? Killing a titan? Or having chance to have fun?
It’s not hard to have fun, even newbros and alphas can do it. In fact, I think it’s even easier for new players to have fun: everything is new for them to explore!
But even the first thing is possible as newbro or alpha. Join one of the newbro corps in null sec and you will see how much of a chance noobs and alphas have in this game. I’m a relatively new player that did the same over a year ago.
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Because you deleted my harmless response, which basically said the same thing you did! This is not relevant, stay on topic!
Why was it inappropriate for me to say that?
I removed the original post you replied to. That removes any posts that replied to it automatically. Do not assume it is a slight against you, it simply is.
Now that I’ve said my piece, get back to your original conversation. I’m sure there’s plenty more you can spend doing than arguing with me about forum rules. (A handy link to said rules!)
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No suh, certainly not, suh. I get it. I tries to be a good boy, like @Mevatla_Vekraspek wants.
It’s just that I feel that I has some rights, suh. I know, I really don’t I just feels it sometimes. Sorruh.
Salt, its the main import and export
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You really shouldn’t be talking about ego, considering how you’re reacting right now. If you can’t handle the fact that there are people who are better, smarter, or are having more power, then …
… oh boy, you’ll do great in EVE!
We should totally meet up!
There is enough salt in this thread alone to satisfy my yearly intake.