“He was an argumentative twonk who could never admit to being wrong and I’m glad to see the back of him personally.” <----That’s a shot. I can’t remember ever having a conversation with that guy. And since I admit to being wrong whenever I’m wrong (it is not uncommon), it’s not even that good of a shot.
Nothing in the CSM job description says you have to take abuse from folks on the forums. That’s not the job any of us signed up for, and that’s why nobody but Mike and I and very rarely some of the others ever come here. The return is not worth the hassle. And given the fact that almost no CSM members post here yet many of them keep getting elected, it certainly hasn’t hurt them, so hey - call it an excuse, but I don’t see an upside unless you’ve got a specific philosophy about serving and how to do it, like I do.
New Eden has Fredo that can easily replace us, without sight or even ears Fredo will still replace us and with such a foul smell we welcome our future with our new CSM Members 07
You couldn’t handle a week of the criticism, dude. And I’m not on the CSM anymore, but you don’t actually know that because you don’t pay attention and assume this tag is accurate, which it isn’t.
I think you confuse roleplay with pretending to be someone else. There is a major difference.
Though you might still not like to play a role or acting in general (or feel uncomfortable doing either) and that’s all good, but what you’ve described is not the original sense of roleplay (as in what you do during a tabletop RPG session or playing a game or this case on the forums).
Not being yourself, pretending, lying, deceiving, manipulating and so forth is a completely different thing than roleplaying for the fun of everyone involved (maybe with the rare exception of a few people who are too rigid and lack sense of humor that they get offended by a bit of fun) thus both the purpose and the way one approaches the activity is entirely different.
The former is against one’s self and the interest of others, while the latter is an extension of one’s self and for the benefit of everyone.
Of course not everyone has affinity for acting or feel comfortable doing it but there is nothing wrong with that, not everyone can become a movie or theater actor either.
But some in here who appear to be playing a role (maybe) do make me feel uncomfortable at times with how they treat others and interact with them and the forums.
Mainly because I have difficulty believing that they are not like that deep down in real life and just come in here to act out what they can’t “outside”.
So yeah, I’ll never understand that behaviour, which is probably why I have so many blocked .
I’ll leave it now as we appear to be drifting off topic slightly.
Not every roleplay is actual roleplay, just as there are always honest people who are genuine and those who are not. As you describe they just use “roleplay” as an excuse to live out their toxicity as they are too afraid to do it in real-life where they would face actual consequences. The two are different. As always, intentions matter.
Just as I mention in my guide:
If someone is a hater or troll just treat them accordingly and move on. Don’t let bad people turn you away from the fun of the game and don’t let competition and betrayal automatically turn you against people who are just playing the game as intended. A good story usually has both its heroes and villains and anything in-between, they all add to the experience.
If someone is genuinely a hateful person who just seeks drama and the opportunity to hurt others treat them accordingly, even if they pretend they are just roleplaying. With a bit of observation it will be clear who is like that and can treat them accordingly.
Just make sure you actually pay attention to intentions and don’t get triggered simply because someone’s actions interfere with yours in a PvP game which allows scamming stealing and whatever else. I’m talking in general not you specifically, because a lot of times people start their toxic flood when someone just plays as intended and pretend the other is automatically there to grief them, which is the opposite end of the spectrum.
Some do these things to try and hurt the other person and incite a reaction out of them, while I assume many or even most just play the game when doing so without negative intentions.
Because let’s be honest: playing against a human player is always much more exciting and unpredictable than against NPCs so PvP, baiting, stealing and whatnot is by its very nature more exciting, thus it is understandable many prefer that over predictable ratting and such, and have no ill will against the other player when doing so, while often even they face toxic reactions from overreacting players who get offended by any form of PvP or interference with their gameplay in a PvP everywhere MMO.
So what I was talking about is the case when someone’s roleplay is genuinely not meant to be harmful. Best if you can differentiate between that and an attempt to stir up drama and treat each as they deserve. This is why I personally avoid knee-jerk reacting and try to uncover the motives behind to see if they are genuine or not so can treat them as they deserve.
I have zero issues in game, I don’t think I ever have and in what? 12 years or so I’ve only lost one ship to what people refer to as gankers.
I’m on about the ones in here, and you know who they are.
All the ones that derail every single thread they get into, constantly attack anyone who dares to disagree with them, regardless of whether they are proved wrong or not they just never ever give it a rest.
These are the users I wish the CSM would point out to CCP and get them sanctioned, including an outright ban if they don’t alter their behaviour which does impact other users.
Yes you can always say turn the other cheek, but they’re still a pita in here.
But we all have different tolerances to this behaviour and mine is obviously different to yours, and that’s fine too.
If you check what I wrote I specifically mentioned many things way beyond ganking and didn’t mention ganking specifically. That’s for a reason. I wasn’t talking about gankers.
I never said anything such. What I wrote instead is to look for the motive and treat them accordingly. Didn’t say treat hateful people positively, said treat them as they deserve. And also not to treat genuine people the same as those who you describe. Everyone as they deserve. The good treated well and the bad treated negatively, that’ what they deserve.
While in some sense yes you also seem to misinterpret my words as explained above. So while in general I think I have higher tolerance at least seemingly, I didn’t express bad behavior (coming with bad intentions) to be treated better or tolerated, wrote the opposite, treat them as they deserve to be treated, but also pointed out intentions are important to take into consideration as the same action coming from bad intentions is not the same as the same coming from no bad intentions.
For instance when I steal mission items I don’t do it to trigger a response, I do it because of the unexpected and complex counteractions that can come from a player in opposition to an NPC. I don’t actually care of player reaction when it comes to what he says if anything, I care how he tries to counter my attempt at stealing. I don’t even care for the end result to be honest, just the journey, the exciting gameplay between two human players and the complexities and intricacies of such gameplay.
You need to read the rules for CSM. CSM has a new election every year. If youve ran and won on CSM for 3 yrs in a row, you cannot run the next year.
For Example, Mike is on his 2nd CSM in a row, should he run again and win, then next year he cannot run. But he can for CSM 21.
Brisc was on his 3rd in a row for CSM 17. So he can run for CSM 19.
True CCP can and has changed how they handle the CSM. #15 brought about the 3 yr term limits as they call it. I think last year they added 2 more positions, so while we vote for 10, CCP elects 2 from the same list that we voted from.
If you would take the time and you probably wont, go back and look at briscs and others posting history, he recieves a lot of hate and vitriol for many unnecessary reasons, and a lot of it has to do with the fact he’s a null resident. But if you cared to look you would see he wants the whole game to prosper not just null.
And similar to mike you can see how brisc disagrees with the devs, but they cant make CCP do things differently.
If the population or majority says no like to blackout or scarcity, CCP can and will still do it.
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