instead of whining that the game is too hard, you forget that this is an MMO. ask around in chat channels. people jump at the chance to do epic arc missions. Hell, i’ll even help you out. Convo me in game, if you’re still playing.
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Why are you at 50 ? You’re supposed to be at 100+ Why do you not MJD out ? W T F ?
He explained to you how to kill them, you string them at 100+ then range, then do it again. This is a common piloting manuever used through out the game both for PvE and PvP alike on everything from burners, to Abyss, to FW frigs, to kitey nano T3Cs in various PvP. If you can not grasp this, what the rest of us are doing every single day with ease, then you can’t grasp the game.
Did you even bother paying any attention to your transversals and angulars ? Do you have any idea whatsoever how to use this ? The whole disruption thing is irrelevant when you get these low enough. You hardly need any tracking and can dedicate your comp / rig to + range to offset the range penalty with extra on top.
Did you ever actually bother flying any smaller ships so you can practise or just jumped into a battleship and sat there like a brick while hitting F1 and expect everything to go your way ?
We told you, repeatedly. Outrange them, use drones and missiles. O and it doesn’t mean light drones vs battleships, it means heavy or sentry of course. if you do use drones, then you switch to drone ship, for example Rattlesnake.
You do not know how to prioritize and kill small targets at point blank using battleships. Especially those that scram / web you.
You do not know how to MJD.
You do not know how not to warp into them but warp at 100 in the 1st place so you don’t even have to MJD on the 1st volley of kills. Those scram / web frigs, they will never be in range to web scram you if you do it right.
Even on lower DPS and tank ship, you can just pop a bookmark, warp out and warp back in, again not at zero and simply kill them in waves. But you do not know even such a very basic and simple mechanic which vast majority of people do not even have to ask for as they have the ability to figure out on their own.
This game is all about min / maxing correct ship and fit to the situation at hand. It is the very basic and its soul. If you can not handle that, then I’m sorry but it truly might not be for you. If you refuse to adjust your fit or your ship to what is needed, then you’re already toast.
On top of that you’re a low SP toon expecting to do high end group content, while solo, in sub optimal set up. This sort of stuff will give us vets a run for our money. The fact that we do it solo is because we have ships and modules now which allow us to do but were not always present in the game and it took us a hell of a lot of learning and losses to get to this point. These missions were originally party content designed for the class of ship you are flying. If you do want to continue, then party up. Get someone with Logi and 2-3 more ships and you will fly through it with ease.
What you’re doing is about an equivalent of trying to solo whatever the current latest greatest heroic dungeon is in WoW, but in green gear. Do you understand this ? And its still doable here, unlike in WoW, if you get the rigth set up for it and if you understand what you’re doing and can properly execute manuevers and some piloting.
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Damn, glad I just have to choose the appropriate Marauder,read mission briefing, and remember to Bastion up when needed.
Course that one Gallente epic arc mission still gives me fits when I run it; perhaps I’ll try some drugs next time.
Everyone gets pounded down once and awhile in this game; pick yourself up and vow to do better. No one faults you blowing up, we all have done that before. However, due diligence and proper preparedness is a must in EVE.
My ship is already Bastion
I do them in Navy Scorp. Double prop, double adaptive, em ward, cruise, its around a 1.3 bil set up, sits around 135-140k ehp and 950 ish DPS at 130+ km, more close up with drones. The last 3 battles of the arc are still pretty rough. 1 of them gets me pretty close to having to warp out, while the otehr 2 I actually do have to warp out for cap and rep then warp back in, 1 of them twice. Which actually works out great because gives my MTU time to collect what it needs to collect and be ready for me.
You just admitted on a public Eve forum that you’re willing to commit a bannable offence if you think you can get away with it - says more about you than about Eve…
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Drones or missiles are unaffected by tracking disruptors from npc’s. A geddon, phoon, raven or domi would likely suit much better.
The apoc is vulnerable in the mission you describe and your fit sounds like it won’t resist epic arcs, which are significantly tougher than level 4’s. At least you can counter this mission by merely swapping weapons…wait for the other arcs!
Generally getting the impression you’ve rushed into it and paid the price. Regroup and read up whilst you save for your new battleship and enjoy a bit more sp because of it too.
Or as others have said, friends are awesome. It is an mmo after all.
Also, just tossing in here, my own replies are not meant to call the OP a fool or a bad player. Everyone makes mistakes, and sometimes we commit too hard to ‘make this work now’ and forget that ‘back off, do something else while re-thinking your approach’ is an option.
I lost my very first, hard earned Battlecruiser similarly to the OP… although it was on a Level 4 mission not Epic arc. I just thought, hey, I’ve been handling level 3’s in my Cruiser, so now I have this massive, powerful BATTLE cruiser I can do level 4’s!
Nope, nope and double nope.
EVE has many environments/encounters that have 2-3 specific ways of killing/disabling/trapping you so that you will suffer and die and they can all high-five each other and loot your corpse. EVE doesn’t sugarcoat this… it’s “learn your enemies strengths, counter those strengths and kill them, move on to the next encounter”. There is no “one build to rule them all”. Learn and adapt to the current situation.
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I guess you meant explosive. They don’t deal EM damage in the epic gallente.
My b the angel BS deal 40% em damage… that makes the epic full omni damage. especially the last one. Still easier than studio I.
OP, if you’re still around…I did ‘raging sanshas’ in a cheapish Apocalypse thrown together (with no bling and only 2 T2 mods) just to show you that it can indeed be done without too much trouble with fairly common equipment and character.
The major difference was that beam lasers were used and roughly 100km distance was maintained. Pretty much danced around the edge of the range envelope picking off frigates first then cruisers then battleships. The opposite of what the uniwiki recommended to you, but if you destroy the frigates and cruisers before they can get out to swarm you and move at mostly right angles to the direction of fire from the battleships so they have difficulty hitting you you should be ok. I was never dampened or scrambled and damage never went into armor.
175 million isk for Apocalypse and fittings, Pilot 25mil skillpoints, no drugs, 3% agility implant, 3% hull implant (char. is my freighter pilot and those help a little for that)
high slots -
8x mega modulated energy beam I, standard L frequency crystal
mids -
100mn Y-S8 compact afterburner
large microjumpdrive
optical compact tracking computer, optimal range script
eutetic compact cap recharger
lows -
extruded compact heat sink x3
prototype thermal energized membrane I
upgraded armor em hardener I
type-D restrained capacitor relay
Large armor repairer II
rigs -
large capacitor control circuit I x2
large capacitor control circuit II
cargo -
multifrquency L x8
drone -
hobgoblin I
low dps so not going to clear fast at all, but at least you won’t be getting smacked around.
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No. I meant Em Ward. I like to fly omni tanked ships that can carry various damage ammo types for a wide variety of reasons regardless of rat damage.
Well I also omni tank my ships when they are not made for a specific mission (zazzmatazz I’m talking to you) yet my epic caldari golem is tanked vs kinetic damage …
Not sure if this dude is still around or not, I think he bought plex then injected into completely wrong line of ships and whatnot and was expecting to just blap everything because I just can’t imagine anyone with 20+ mil SP that lacks the most basic knowledge of stuff like he does. I mean, this is the crap we learn while piloting frigates, destroyers and some T1 cruisers FFS …
Then he proceeded to throw a juicy extremely stupid tantrum about it instead of nicely asking what he can do to improve and how to go about it.
If I were him I’d be too embarrassed to pop my head out anyways.
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Well i already passed the first 2 or 3 missions as i mentioned in one of the posts, that’s probably mainly the reason i kept at it. Lulled me into a false sense of security. I’d also faced some ewar already and elite battleships etc, but not suddenly 20 tracking disruptors.
That’s cool and all, but i had 2M skillpoints. Try it with 1.5M skillpoints (as i spread out grabbing all starter stuff) Should i have rethought doing an L4 epic arc with only that? No, after again having already passed the first 2 or 3 missions and having done 0.5 sec L4 missions with ease, after having done days of research on builds on Pyfa and combat mechanics with Eve UniWiki etc.
Again, it was just the retarded Ewar spam and stacking. Apparently the only counter play being AFK 100km or AFK a drone boat. Is that not garbage design? One Ewar spammed by the entire room?
I paid for a sub, like i usually do in games. I’ve never bought plex and i only had 2M skillpoints. But please - don’t let me get in the way of your ignorance and assumptions.
The sub in this game is pointless though, you go from molasses pace to snails pace in real time character progression, training in very specific sizes of very specific types of very specific lines of very specific things and there’s nothing you can do but spend even more money, or turn your entire experience into grinding for injectors.
The sub means so little i actually already unsubbed before this mess anyway. It’s like the bare minimum you are required to spend and since it means so little, there really is no point in having it.
Sure you get access to more stuff, after a long, long time of training, individually, in real time.
But i think i’ll pass.
Quite possibly.
As mentioned, arcs are level 4’s but harder. Sounds like you’ve specialised into a battle ship which suggests you’re missing some core skills that will help you tank.
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And if you have amarr battleship at 3 or less you are missing some important range and tracking for your lasers.
Not so bad for level4’s, but as i said, epic arcs are a higher level.
Missiles or drones are a HARD counter. Afk if you want but better off active.
Not even max alpha SP without using alpha SP boosters.
Those skills must have been terrible. No wonder you could not hit them with guns, at least missiles and drones would be easier.
Keep in mind they are only NPC AI’s, and very few games program ‘smart’ AI opponents that are challenging. EVE’s typical method of adding challenge is either swarming, putting in very dangerous opponents, or putting in 1 or 2 ‘tricks’ (like EWar) that make life tough for you.
Each of these challenges has certain types of counters. You identify the challenge, fit for the counter (or just for enough DPS+tank to muscle through it), go kill them. It’s actually better that they loaded up on only one type of EWar, because that makes it easier for you to fit a counter. If they had fewer ships, but 3-4 types of EWar going at once, it could become very hard to counter.
I think you hit it on the head when you said you were lulled into a false sense of security by various level 4’s and the earlier arc missions. Personally I would not feel comfortable taking an Alpha battleship into Epic faction arcs with less than 4-5 million carefully selected SP (assuming a reasonable, not-billions-of-ISK fit).
afk? Where did you come up with that? afking a turret ship probably wouldn’t be a very good idea…afking a drone boat…well…guess one better hope one’s drones kill the webbers very fast before the battleships pop your slowed-down ship. hmm…Maybe seeing if that can be done with a good ol’ 100mn VNI ratter might be interesting…yolo…still wouldn’t afk that
Nah - that wouldn’t be a very good idea. Many of the skillpoints on the character I used were for things not useful for that situation, but the ones that did apply were much more than 2 mil.
Sorry you dislike the game, hope you find something else more to your liking.
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Battleships take more skills to use properly. 1,5M sounds very very low. And apparently way too low in drones which is your only defence against some targets. Make sure you have atleast close to mastery level 2 on your selected ship.
Also fitting could propably be improved, for example mixing passive tanking (1600mm plate) with active (large repper) is usually bad idea. Pick either for better survivability.
You been told many times what you should have done differently and to all of those you know better to blame game instead of yourself.
Vs Ewar turrets?
Mauraders & drone ships.
Kuni