I dont think so.
With the impending destruction of Jita, everyone is going to want the next megahub to congeal closer to their own access points.
Time is the most valuable commodity in EVE.
The nascent NS powers with enormous vested interest in Jita will want the next hub to form closer to them. The Citadels in the periphery of Jita are easily replaced elsewhere.
If Jita went Nova, people would simply use Perimeter instead, to some extent it’s already a feeder hub in its own right.
I disagree completely.
It would inversely be increased risk/cost that would encourage localized trade.
The cheaper/easier/safer it is to transit cargo, the further they will go.
The more expensive/harder/riskier it is to transit cargo, the nearer they will go.
Time is indeed among the most valued commodities in EvE, so Amarr would win out, its already big, it already has a good server node, thanks to player persistance to trade there. Minimal need to align your transport routes for everyone involved as well.
Starting over from scratch is hard, especially when you already got a developed system available that can take a much higher load in a short time (Amarr).
The problem with shattering the mono-hub is people don’t have to agree. They just have to be able to judge the direction the wind is blowing and tack their sails to catch it.
With Amarr being such a strong second to Jita, it’s likely to become the new hub. People who swing to the wrong stations will quickly see that most of the traffic they hoped would follow them didn’t, and they can change base very quickly.
They’re already accustomed to it being in Caldari space, even if they are not Caldari.
To break it up, you have to remove the old bases and at the same time put in reasons not to repeat history. Something like the tax system that tries to get people to spread out their manufacture, for instance, but allowing the prices to get well out of hand if people refuse to spread out. Or, possibly some strong incentive to do certain types of trade in certain stations, (such as raw and compressed ore, and minerals in one station, ships in another, modules in a third…)
And that’s assuming that Jita is enough of a problem to decide it’s worth taking the time, effort, and RISK to break it up in the first place.
I do agree with you that cheap shipping has helped enforce Jita.
Probably yes, a substantial proportion would move there.
But others would move to try and incentivize the congealment of the next megahub closer to their own homes.
Jita/Perimeter is convenient as a super market, but not by distance to many others in EVE.
I think the next hub would be :
https://sites.google.com/site/sixthempirealliance/vatican
If they see the end of Jita arrive, diplomacy will do the rest. If Jita was so far from the nullsec entities, wouldn’t it have changed yet? The reason it doesn’t change is because most is built around it. Start a new tradehub, promote it, explain to your voters… eh… buyers why they have to come shop at your place…
Perimeter is, like Jita, already close to most of norther NS and eastern NS. Go to Dotlan and see what is in JF range of Perimeter. It is slightly worse than Jita.
Which is why we have Amarr.
It really is like voting.
In fact it’s “First Past the Post” or “Winner Take All” voting.
With Jita, as it is, as an ever growing megahub, there is no wind.
Every year it sucks more commerce out of the rest of EVE.
I think its important not to understate the “suppressive” effect that has on EVE trade.
Nobody really has much of a realistic choice. Its either Jita, or lose isk elsewhere.
If Jita was removed, I would hope you would be surprised how actively people will seek opportunity elsewhere, as well as how hard NS entities will work to bring the next potential megahub closer to their own doorstep than what either Jita or Amarr are.
Amarr is not even an ant compared to Jita.
And yet, any other tradehub (bar Jita) is an ant compared to Amarr, hence the reason it would attract the Jita crowd, as it already offers what they seek: a convenient established tradehub that doesn’t need much alterations to set up shop in.
JF range for whom?
People aren’t going to boycott the next best thing in order to drive market share to the best thing.
If Jita fell, the major alliances would, yes, as a hail mary, try and establish a trade hub close to home, and they might try to interdict the other contenders, but they’d still put some of their merchandise in those other hubs, because money is money.
It wouldn’t take long at all for the winner to shake out of this puzzle. People are already equipped with massive ships, and already have their Jita alts.
And yes, Jita is THE market to buy and sell in.
…Unless you set up shop and sell ammo and ships near one of the major mission hubs.
…Or maybe you set up buy orders to pick up the minerals, and other player produced goods as close to their point of origin as you can.
Hardly a good thing, is it.
Perhaps.
Or shall we just wait while Jita sucks more and more commerce out of EVE, every year?
No player action will ever supplant Jita.
The inevitable outcome as the situation stands, is just that all other markets will deplete, in favor of Jita.
Is that what we want for EVE?
That almost all commerce occurs in only one system out of the thousands around it?
I’m not so sure, if Delve is anything to go by. You can buy anything in the 1DQ1 Thetastar and since Goons moved back to Delve, the region has the 3rd largest market trade in the game:
There are huge advantages to players not having to run off to Amarr or Jita for everything, and everything necessary is manufactured, mined, salvaged, looted and hacked in Delve.
It pretty much supports itself as a region.
That type of thing would be good to see elsewhere. Just needs similar player action.
This I agree with, and what Goons are doing is phenomenal and unprecedented.
But they too, trade in Jita.
Infact, without Jita, this kind of Goon efficiency would not have have been possible.
Not sure that is true. Voting processes are…non-rational. Picking a trade hub is probably not non-rational.
One of the nice things about Jita is its JF options:
Black Rise
Essence
Geminate
Lonetrek
Metropolis
Sinq Laison
The Citadel
The Forge
Tribute
Vale of the Silent
People who shop at Jita. See the above list. If you live in the North or East, even places like Cloud Ring getting to and from Jita is not that tough in a JF.
Indeed. Not having to incur the transactions costs (I warned you guys…) is one reason why 1DQ is so huge. relatively speaking. There is nothing stopping other player groups from doing this other than proximity to HS trade hubs and things like alliance norms and such.
Aaaaand usually ■■■■ on. Let’s be honest 95% of the people talking about Delve ■■■■ on it. “Oh no! Look at the big bad Goons breaking the game.” Yet it is apparently it is now a good thing.
You have a very limited view of how an economy works. It is like an ecosystem. Everything is interconnected. Of course, Goons trade in Jita. And Amarr. And elsewhere. The idea that these things are independent of each other is just flat out not true.
That being said, one thing about complex adaptive systems is they adapt to changes. And what would happen if Jita ceased to exist? The stuff people are selling would still end up on the market. The increased transactions costs would actually reduce production and thus trade for awhile. But as has been noted it is possible another trade hub would emerge. It could be Perimeter or it could be some other system. Another contender could be New Caldari which also has close proximity in terms of JF range as Jita.
Seriously all this talk about Jita being bad reminds me of ****** *****'s ignorant bleatings about trade wars being good. I have yet to see anything actually justifying Jita as the dominant trade hub is actually bad.
Years ago when I had a paid account I used to trade in Jita. I found it to be too crowded and laggy. After a couple of times I stopped wasting my game time there. You don’t have to go to Jita to buy and sell.
