Lets keep my remark in context. I was pointing out that either way it becomes a prime target..
Also not all bots move automatically to the next asteroid. Botting it seems comes in many different flavors. Some try to play off being multiboxing.
But the best way to really see if it is a bot. Watch how it approaches the next asteroid. If it does the same action in approaching each asteroid. Almost 99% chance of a bot.
The other ways are engaging in chat. If you get a canned response. A good indication of a bot. The best response I got from a bot was this. This was a private chat.After I said Hi.
Hi Player how is the weather. Player do you want to fleet up? Player this is so much fun"
You don’t undock from stargates. Especially ones in Uedama. And even worse, Uedama is no where near Dodixie.
Got ganked off a gate in Caldari Space. Thinks it’s a station in Gallente space. Complains the mechanic is broken and is completely clueless about the basic mechanics behind the game.
This, kids, is the reason why you shouldn’t pull out your wallet and buy your way into expensive ships with no clue how to actually play the game.
Please keep in mind also the view from the other side - if it happens that you are NO bot:
I also used to run small mining fleets with several accounts. I found this always relaxing enough in the evening. But you just can’t do that in a relaxed way these days. Every five minutes someone jealous comes along, accusing you to be a bot because he doesn’t know better.
They will start to chat in local with you. If you don’t react, they will convo you and you have to block them or do an autoblock for all. Then they start to bump you or even gank you.
So just be aware that it is also fun for some - and i had quite some - to simulate to be a bot for those annoying people like the ones starting these threads. Last time i checked it is not forbidden to refuse to chat with anyone, to fly in a formation, to number your characters and ship names from 1-10 and it is certainly also not forbidden to return in a pod to a belt after a ship loss.
I used to do just this when being harassed by people wanting to interact with me while i want to relax, so that all these people would report me as a bot. If then CCP doesn’t find something, they will take action against these reporters if they always report anyone they see and falsely accuse them to be a bot. For me this is self defense against annoying jealous people that just come along and need to rant about everything they see and jump to conclusions.
For me the only obvious thing about a botter would be if someone mines from downtime to downtime, 24/7 all week long, which is biologically impossible. Only then i would suspect a bot with high confidence or some account sharing going on which is also a valid cause for a ban.
At the end the only one that can tell if an account is 100% a bot is CCP. That is the unfortunate truth. I have my opinions based strictly on personal experience. Which is anecdotal at best. Others have their opinions. Which is again based on their own personal experience and is anecdotal at best.
And so is yours. All I do know is that I have been right more than I have been wrong. And that is a basis for it be fact. But if I were to use a scientific method I would need data that I am not ever likely to see. If even then. That would be for CCP to open their systems and data to me. That is not going to ever happen. So I am left with my personal experience and the anecdotal evidence that I have gathered.
This is the difference in understanding science and using personal experience. Left without being able to gather information that would be used in a science study with proper controls and protocols. I go with the best I can. And having successes more than failure. I do have a good chance in spotting a multiboxer versus a bot.
You keep throwing out the word science like you know what it means. Making an assumption without any sort of data or proof is the exact opposite of science.
Who the f**k died and made you God? Just because you claim something is a fact doesn’t mean it is.
Get over your butthurt and play the game. It’s 100% your fault you lost the ship to the ganker. None of the repeated nerfs to ganking has seemed to make you carebears not play like absolute morons, so why would this be any different?
By what metric is the label of ‘victim’ being determined?
Not a lot of full loot PvP games out there. Tarkov would have been a great example, though the ‘wiggle’ video does not paint the best picture of those who ‘enjoy’ that kind of environment.
Life does not come with a EULA and TOS agreement. Space has rules. While it might be inconvenient, Blackout demonstrated rules, especially for PvP are necessary for both sides.
Before Pochven there was at least more than one route between trade hubs though high security space. Talk about lazy, CCP pretty much handed gankers a made to measure killbox.
There are certainly losses that are deserved, though there are too many where the aggressors are TotallyNotABot[01..20] just hanging out on the Udema gate, its hard to equate one person grinding the odds to the organic groups that existed 10 years ago,
Botters are violating the TOS, people AFK drinking coffee are not.
The data indicated non consensual PvP resulted in more player interaction and retention. It was criticized as flawed due to the inability to collect data on those who colloquially ‘rage quit’ due to the same interaction, thusly creating bias in the resulting data. I believe this was touched on during an episode of TIS, though I cannot recall which.
There is a theory that CCP does not ban these individuals as they are creating ‘content’ and the alternative would mean having to actually make improvements.
In a pod though?
Those guys are the best, especially for newer players who are stuck on the mining treadmill.
Market trading? No seriously, if mining ice at 1 block per 34 seconds, a retriever fills up in 15 minutes.
All my alts have ‘Block Unknown Contacts’ from the bad old days when people would spam convo to stop you from being able to click the UI.
Nothing to do with wallets, its about (EHP/catalyst alpha) vs (cargo value*drop rate)
^ how is this not standard bot detection ?
Its not a matter of intelligence, its ROI in the aggregate.
Yet Blackout proved they are necessary and ultimately have the power, which is probably what upsets the 31337 crowd the most.
So you are saying there is a survivor bias by asking people who have not rage quit the game if they like non-consensual PvP?
I won’t deny that.
But have you considered that by asking people who have not rage-quit the game over non-consensual PvP, CCP managed to question the right target audience about the game?
After all, I suspect that people who rage-quit over non-consensual PvP are the not target audience of EVE.
Asking them is like asking people who dislike first person shooters for their opinion about the latest Call of Duty. Wrong audience to ask.
People who do not like First Person Shooters are not going to install COD by accident. People who like First Person Shooters are going to install the latest Battlefield and complain its not like COD.
I’m talking about the NPCs that jump on you with ships in space. There are entire fleets of them out there. Surely you might have come across a couple.
Losing a ship to a highsec suicide gank is entirely, totally, and completely the result of multiple bad decisions made by the pilot of the ship getting ganked. Instead of accepting and acknowledging this, you blame the people playing entirely within the rules of the game. Rather than learning from your multiple bad decisions, you instead demand that the rules of the game be changed to accommodate you.
What does any of this have to do with my comment that every PvP game is set up so that only one side gets to determine when the engagement starts? Granted, most players in most PvP games start shooting the instant they see a target, but the ones that win have a plan.
Wow, talk about not knowing what you talk about. Before Pochven, all HS traffic between trade hubs was funnelled through a handful of systems. The reason Uedama became a major ganking hub was that it was the only route from Jita to Amarr. Yes, the trip is longer now, but you have more options to decide between safety and greed. If you stop letting greed win, you’ll keep your ships longer.
Now this is just asinine. Nothing here is remotely correct. How people name their alts is f**cking irrelevant, and you think there weren’t people using the exact same tactic 10 years ago. I can tell you for a fact that ganking today and ganking in 2005 are nearly the same. The gankers have been able to maintain their playstyle and adapt to the repeated nerfs to it, all while the carebears have kept doing the same stupid s**t year after year and demanding more protection from their repeated mistakes.
