Good points. Its frustrating for a new players to lose 50mil isk. Thats alot of lvl 1 and 2 missions loot. The way that I ses it, suicide terrorist are a bunch of pussies who cant take it in null or low sec.
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Back To alts, maybe place restictions
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I hope not to derail the thread, but I just wanted to point out some things that I think are relevant:
CCPs data shows most new players quit within something like 2 hours. I donât think this is long enough for âguidanceâ to become an issue. If you liked the idea of a game enough to download and install it, then within 2 hours, quit playing, one of several things is happening:
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You are a game junkie, you just DL anything that pops to mind, try it out, if it grabs you, great, if not you quit and DL the next game.
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You found the game to be confusing, difficult, or somehow frustrating. Since the game is not providing a good experience for you, you quit and move on.
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You have heard stories about âthe EVE universeâ, you hear about the huge battles, the dog-eat-dog struggle for dominance, the beautiful space scenes and ships, the wars between factions. You start the game and it quickly becomes clear to you that you are not in the universe you imagined. The reality of the game and your first impressions is not matching the expectations you had.
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You can deal with the mechanics, you can deal with the UI, you arenât expecting anything wonderful to happen right away, but you just find the starter experience, the ship control, the graphics whatever⌠to be boring and lacklustre. Nothing interesting/engaging is happening. Youâre in a boring tutorial with minimal engagement and you give it a couple hours, then quit.
To my mind, these are the true hurdles the new player faces. Not ganking. Not high sec PvP. Not thousands of crap corps. But specifically⌠poor interface, a mismatch of expectations with the reality, nothing that really engages you with your expecations, and finally, boring and uninspired gameplay and NPE design.
CCP has spent years wasting their development budget on side projects that fail, games they canât actualize, content nobody wanted or uses, and game updates that steer the game away from its core and off into some weird âeverybody wants to be a cog in a huge corpâ vision.
Itâs time they spent a few million and a years development effort making sure that the first 5 hours of game time for a new user is accessible, interesting, and engaging. After that a little work on the cash shop (well OK a lot) and player progression paths, and the game will take care of itself.
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I think all of your points are valid. Reworking the UI or building in âinstant hooksâ are things I have no clue how to do, but regarding point 2, this is what I was trying to get at. If you really narrow down the path for new players, and then gradually open the world for them, you do them a great service. Cutting the noise is terribly difficult if you have no clue which bits in this vast ocean of information are relevant and which not.
Newbies start at an academy station. Why not go one step further and actually do proper briefings and education there? Have an NPC interview and analyze the player. Ask the right questions to find a fitting profile, then continue down that road with a tailor-made program to get them down that path and make some progress.
So someoneâs the PVP type, go through ships and fittings, then guide them along some PVP-related things. You can teach players how to PVP with PVE these days, the AI is already advanced enough to have them do a few mock fights, even make them lose their ship and pod, then pick them up again. Itâs 2019, rats are reinforcing stations in null and drive whole coalitions back to their home regions, surely they can build a great educational curriculum, according to the profile data from the initial briefings/interviews. And thatâs just one example, and Iâm not a gamedev⌠Iâm sure devs can come up with some cool stuff.
I liked a lot of ideas in this thread, the âactivity funnelâ thing was nice, and getting the community in touch is very valuable for newbie retention. I hope CCP takes a look at this thread some time.
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Or they could you know, use the map???
People, try to lrn2play before you post dumb ideas.
Dont be salty old hag,new players struggle with many things when they start
âWhere are my dronesâ
âWhere is my cargo bayâ
Advanced map properties zen mastering isnât really to be expected.
But providing that info in easy to obtain way a la useless station billboards is a net gain.
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To be fair, itâs not a bad idea; most new players not knowing their arses from their elbows.
Station billboards are currently underutilised and the sort of integration @Mina_Sebiestar is talking about could be done under the guise of Scope bulletins broadcast region-wide; done right it wouldnât be immersion breaking and provide easily accessible information to all who want it.
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Yes it is, it is free intel just like local, and for what, it wonât change anything.
The new players who are not emotionally defeated when their ship is blown up will continue, the ones are emotionally defeated will quit.
I can see why some would see it as a bad thing, especially from a PvP perspective; Iâm not a PvP player, so my perspective is probably a little different than yours.
I donât agree with your opinion, but I do understand it.
To me this is not really different in itâs effect than putting a red/green light on the gate.
Green is safe
Red means gate is camped
That all depends on how detailed the information given is, and it should be somewhat delayed as the map is now. Realtime is bad, Iâd agree on that
X podkills in a specific system is too much.
X podkills in a constellation or group of constellations is more general.
Somewhat useful to most, really useful to those that look further.
Map is delayed info used to get some awareness of what is going on outside
Pros will get lotsa info of it through game knowledge
Noobs will be aware that ships are getting killed left m right in high sec.
Map is there since game early days same as local that doesnât have anything with this discussion anyway.
Hi is throwing a tantrum let him.
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I would disagree. People who are in NPC corps are crap for new players. When I joined EVE many years ago, I had a really amazing time in the Hedion University chat with lots of active and helpful people answering questions, giving tips, helping out when you overestimated your capabilities. Itâs not the fault of NPC corps that they devolved into cesspools full with frustrated virgins.
Doesnât âgetâ the local issue.
Nah, I can see exactly where heâs coming from; I just believe that thereâs a compromise which would address his concerns.
Delayed information, generalised in nature that is updated at downtime would be a start.
Basically only the broadest of stats from the map, from downtime to downtime.
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Blissfully obliviously under knowledged even.
But please spare me.
5000+ posts that explain the topic if your ever interested.
Thx salty been there done that early on before rancid opinions started to pinch too hard on nostrils.
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Censured
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CCP need to make it more atractive to be in a player corp like rising mission tax for players in npc corp or rising reward for players in player corp,the same for industry jobs.And make Corp standings more rellevant,if you have only standings for lvl1 mission but your corp standings are lets say lvl3 then you can run lvl3 mission and skip the grind