I’ve already explained above, quite clearly and in no uncertain terms, why I don’t have to. Your approval of my skills is about as precious to me as the lint I pick from my bellybutton. You have yet to present a case against my argument, all you’ve said is, “SP make the ship stats better”. So what? Me-262 vs P-51. Case closed.
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Besides, I’ve already done what you’re asking to see. At the time of this kill, Milana had less than 5mil SP. Milana is my alt, in case you couldn’t tell. Same account, not opening a second. Ever. Here’s the Incursus fit I used, lost one earlier to a superior pilot to me. No shame in that. You win some, you lose some.
Why do you think people use skill injectors?
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You’d have to ask the people who use them. I don’t make assumptions, and I’ve never used em.
Most are using them to quickly train up for a specific task. All who use skill extractors are doing it to farm passive ISK.
If I were to assume, I would agree. The best and only real pragmatic use for skill injectors is to unlock access to features and ships.
EDIT I would add, however, that for someone who does know how to apply their skillpoints and efficiently distribute them amongst skills that are focused on a specific task, and they know how to perform that task with skill, they are at an advantage for using them. While a completely new player using the same SP pool wouldn’t have the same advantage without an understanding of what to do with it all.
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Would you agree that people use injectors to improve the performance of their ships and capsuleer, statwise?
Would you agree that is what SP is for?
I have used injectors to increase my ship stats.
Ive also used them to increase implant skills, overheating skills and drug skills.
Why did I do so?
So as to increase the stat performance of my capsuleer and ships in PvP and PvE.
Others use them to increase their stats/performance in economic PvP of trading, resource harvesting, refinement, manufacture etc.
So that even though Im crap at PvP, I can compensate with raw stats over less SP intensive opponents.
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It’s a fast trac route for instant gratification. That’s what is hurting the game, no more reason to spend time in the game when everything is pretty much handed over quickly on a silver platter. And after the instant gratification is achieved, there’s no more reason to even log into the game.
Before Skill injectors, it took time to achieve a specific goal and in the process of attaining that goal, players would often get sidetracked for a while chasing down something else which not only made the game take longer, it also made it a lot more interesting.
Now that players can quickly achieve their initial goal and quickly complete their specific task, they basically don’t experience any of the interesting side detours that give the game depth and make it exciting.
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You continue to miss my point, and at this stage, given the clarity with which I’ve defined it, it can only be intentional. I’m not denying that SP improves the stats of your ships. It doesn’t give you an edge in PVP unless the primary edge, your knowledge and understanding of the game and it’s mechanics, your ship’s capabilities, how to fit it correctly, etc, are already up to scratch. SP alone does not make a new player competitive even one iota in PVP.
For the last time, Me-262 should kill Mustang if we’re going by stats alone. But the Red Tails still shot down the world’s first jet fighter with proficiency using Mustangs. The performance of the combat equipment you command is only part of the equation of the outcome of any given fight. You’re argument that numbers are everything is proven time and again in this game and in others, and in real life too, to be demonstrably false.
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Then face me:
- In your brand-new character in a corvette
vs - In my full V implanted character in a corvette
Clearly you are the better PvP player.
Lets see if your knowledge/experience can overcome my stats.
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What an interesting comment… it says a lot more about you than you think. Perhaps others posters are right about your identity.
Once again, Salvos, I’ve nothing to prove to you that my killboard and youtube videos doesn’t already prove. I’m not going to be baited into some pissing contest, regardless of the outcome. Besides which, your conditions are all wrong. What you want to test is a brand new player with 100mil SP to do with as he pleases vs an old player who already has 100mil SP. Or, better yet, get an old player, figure out exactly where his SP is, and create a new identical toon with the same SP assignments, and give that toon to a new player. Don’t put them in the same ship, part of any PVP engagement is deciding on the best tool for the job. Let them pick. Well see who makes the best ship choice, who makes the best fitting choice, and who does a better job at fighting their opponent.
Then, when the rookie loses, we fit up two identical ships and repeat. The rookie will lose again.
For the record, I’ve already won our fight. My brand new rookie in a Velator with drones, web and scram, no prop, blasters and long-range ammo, hold you at range and rep. Or, Ibis, with ECM. I’ve got a lot of options, and it wouldn’t be the first time I’ve won against bad odds. I do it often. The video I posted above was my best example of it.
At the end of the day though, it’s not happening, because it’s pointless. Also, because I’m not making a second account just to satiate your need for a pissing competition. I’ve already won that too. Our killboards are worlds apart. Additionally, I’ve made points that you continue to intentionally ignore and, as a result, remain unchallenged. That’s on you.
I’m the alpha here, Salvos, and I don’t even need to try. What you’re doing right now is the equivalent of a Jack Russel yapping at the fence while the next door neighbour’s Siberian Husky yawns and goes back to napping. I’m the Husky in that analogy btw.
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If you are such an alpha, surely you can beat me in that matchup.
Im challenging you.
Only a beta would refuse the challenge.
But no, you wont, because you know you will lose, and your argument wrecked.
So much for that.
Your ignorance is not a challenge, mate. Until you learn to read what I’m saying, until you learn that ignorance, intentional or otherwise, is not a counterpoint, you will never have anything worthwhile to say on this topic. I have easily, and with examples already, explained why you’re wrong about SP. Your failure to respond to those explanations, and do little more than posture, is your own failure.
P-51 vs Me-262. That’s literally case closed on this argument. You don’t have to like it, but since you haven’t offered a counterpoint of any merit, I’ll accept your deference to the point (willing or otherwise).
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So you refuse the challenge.
There goes your “alpha” status and arguments right out the window.
I don’t refuse the challenge, Salvos. I’ve already completed the challenge. Examples provided above. Your ignorance of them doesn’t change the existence of them.
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Not vs me you havent.
You are chickening out.
You are afraid, Mr. Alpha.
Are you afraid of Jack Russel, you being the Husky, as you so proudly proclaim?
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I don’t need to vs you, Salvos. You aren’t a challenge. And once again, I don’t have to prove anything to you either. I already know you’re an obstinate narcissist with Dunning-Kruger coming out of your every pore and a sense of self-importance that could qualify you as the next president of the United States. Even if I win, you’ll find some way to deny deny deny, ignore ignore ignore, lalalalalala I CAN’T HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF MY OWN AMAZING VOICE!
That last bit was my perfect impression of you btw. No, Salvos, I have completed your ‘challenge’ many times now. I know how this game works, and I know how SP functions in PVP. You don’t. You’re wrong. That’s the bottom line. Piss and moan about it some more, but other people who know this game know what your pissing and moaning is worth.
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