Would no-cargo combat ships be gank targets in hisec?

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I do feel silly asking, but hey insight is gold.
As my skills improve, and I need a break from missions and sites Im thinking about scanning down abandoned drones etc.

Im not leaving care-bear space until I have a full replacement at my mission station, and after nothing below 0.5 sec for awhile. From my last shopping trip it seems there might be a fair bit of old junk on the way to my local hub.

I dont know what gankers can get from a player ship.
So, would a decked out combat cruiser/battlecruiser be a juicy target?

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Salt. Considering a ganking ship is i think around 400m isk, they’ll still gank an empty ship just cause they can and hope to see you cry about it

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Not “juicy”, but still a target if it’s behaving clumsy like autopiloting, or just meeting the wrong dudes.

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Hmm, meeting the wrong dudes. So a hobby best left until Im ready to practice escape/defence?

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No, just don’t undock what you cannot afford to lose (yet). The chances are very low to lose a Drake to gankers, but again, if it’s easy prey like slowboating in Jita or left undocked afk, some players eventually will take a chance.
Speed tank sometimes is the only way to survive, so find out about alignment times and warp mechanics.

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Entirely the wrong attitude for this game, but props for recognizing the issue. This is a PvP game that you can do PvE in, not the other way around. As I call it, it’s EvE, Everyone vs Everything.

Scanning down abandoned drones isn’t a very high isk/hour payout. The payout for that is, on average, a few hundred thousand isk each. Ninja salvaging in a destroyer would be more profitable. That’s where you probe down a mission runner and salvage his wrecks while he’s still running the site. :grin:

That said, go join a faction warfare corp and learn the basics of PvP. This will help you no matter what you do as a career in EvE, because then you won’t panic when someone inevitably tries to gank you. Faction Warfare is a good place to learn because you can do it in cheap T1 frigates, which many of the better FW corps will just give you if you’re broke. The FW sites are size limited, so you can mostly avoid cruisers and destroyers until you feel ready to tackle them. The Firetail I use cost less than 15mil and is quite potent. Another good thing is you learn how to operate on a war footing, but that war only lasts as long as you’re in the militia. When you resign because you learned enough or just don’t like it, the war immediately goes away, though any faction standing loss you had to the other factions remains. Low standings are easily fixed, however.

I’ve learned more in 3 months of FW than I did in 13 years of being an F1 monkey in nullsec. :innocent:

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thanks

“yet”. Once Ive got a few spares Ill give it go and see.

Been practising quick dock/warp locations, making better “hidey” bookmarks and setting up my D-scan better.

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Yeah, more a hobby and goal to explore. Never know what you’ll find. Ive done nija salvage before, and it is fun, but Im better off doing the sites myself so far.
Still a very fresh character so Im taking time building a reasonable personal base and getting to know the game the better.

But yea, ill look into Faction war more. Sounds like it could be lucrative, fun and I would learn a lot for sure
Thanks

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First off, let me apologize if anything in this post sounds like I’m talking down to you. I’m assuming that you’re relatively new to the game, based on your comment that you don’t know what gankers get from player ships. If this is a wrong assumption, please know any perceived slight is unintended. My goal in this thread is to help someone I see as a new player get what they need to enjoy EvE for a very long time. :grin:

Definitely build yourself a mission running base, that way you always have something to go back to if you run out of isk and ships. I’m sure you have your plans, but here’s my HS stockpile for you to consider.

If you fit out any battleship with T2 weapons and cheap faction/C-type tank, you’ll easily be able to do all L4 missions and all but the most rabid of gankers will ignore you for fatter prey. Plan for it now, but wait to go for marauders until you’ve got a bit of PvP experience. That’s an expensive ship and a bright flashing gank target, so you want to know how to best keep it safe before making that investment.

Attack Battlecruiser for doing Highsec anoms, with a HAC for doing the escalations and once again, the gankers pass you over for fatter prey. ABCs use large weapons, so you never have to worry about when a site has multiple people running it when you alpha everything off the field as fast as your guns cycle, and HACs are overkill for any highsec escalation. Gila if you can’t HAC it, pun 100% intended. :innocent:

Yeah, I know T2 large weapons are a long train, but you want those before you get Marauder anyway, so might as well get the first one early. I recommend either Cruise Missiles or Projectiles unless you’re doing Amarr stuff. Golem is the most versatile Marauder and the Vargur is second. Vertical Supremacy!!!

After you get that setup, except for the Marauder, another option is wormholes, but only do that if you like jumping in the deep end. The wormhole corps are ususaly doing the PvE sites available in there, but it’s a completely different environment from K-space, and it’s quite dangerous. You will learn PvP and how to see people coming before they get to you, which makes avoiding ganks anywhere else absurdly easy.

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No-cargo combat ships will still use modules to be effective in combat.

Half of these modules will drop upon death.

If killing the non-cargo combat ship is easy enough the ships lost to CONCORD are cheaper than the value of the dropped modules this means the ship can get ganked for profit.

If it isn’t easy enough, it can still be ganked for fun.

But that hauler next to you is probably carrying more value and is easier to kill, so I guess it’s a lot less likely to get killed in a combat ship, unless you start putting unnecessarily expensive modules on it; if you use faction, deadspace or officer modules (green, blue or purple) the payout for killing your ship becomes a lot higher! Keep it affordable and cheap instead.

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There is not a single cargo hauler or mining barge that is effective in PvP. PvE, yes, but not PvP.

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Procurer says other wise

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Excellent thats what I needed to read, thank you :slight_smile:

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Good info, thanks for the detail. Ill read up more on the ships you mentioned :wink:

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