22 Accounts. 1 Cheater?

I have no interest in partaking in that stale gameplay, even trying to make it personal like that is not going to work.

Furthermore if you want to say that because you gank every day in Uedama and I fail is the same as me saying every single hauler that gets through is a fail for you. :stuck_out_tongue:

Now my analysis of the JF gank logs I have in my possession indicate that you are likely not to be cheating, that is all that needs to be said. If that upsets you then so be it.

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Pro tip. dont come to the forums to get this type of thing changed. The Eve forums are a lot biased against changing Eve’s less player friendly mechanics. Even though Eve has become multiple factors more difficult over the years. there are a group of loud single minded individuals who like the mechanics the way they are. For the first time in years I flew through empire at prime time a few days ago and noticed the significant amount of gankers. maybe it was a coincidence. The fact is action wont be taken by CCP until it hits their bottom line.
CCP are happy with the status quo issues. Even though things like ganking/cloaky camping has undeniably cost thousands of subscriptions over the years.

As for this case. CCP can’t prove hes cheating so wont ban him because that £200 a month out of that bottom line. Also it’s as much your fault for painting a 80bill target on your back.

Frankly though. CCP need to take a more proactive if not balanced stance. Eve was a lot more fun before everyone exploited mechanics to the nth degree. This guy knows the mechanic and is using it to its extreme.
CCP really should for the long term health of the game cap these activities some how. I’m not saying scrap them totally. Maybe make the response time more random and include the odd concord branded super logi that will save some victims. Make this mechanic more of a game.

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keep analysing my logs XdxdXDD

Do you know why im not analysing logs about you? cos ur a nobody. You’re analyzing mine because you’re salty from failing nonstop and im a huge deal/you’re a huge secret fan

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I gave up on that a long time ago.

I have an opinion of AFK cloaky camping that the only issue is the AFK part, I like hunting campers, you can see a few on my killboard recently, one Manticore pilot died twice to me. The thing is that you have to work out when they are active and it can be painful. If they get in a key system and stay there then they are almost impossible to get and being AFK all your baiting is worth nothing. The AFK part is the issue.

Ganking is part of the game, my focus was initially on the poor tanks of mining ships and CCP finally moved on that after the loss of many many players. CCP failed miserably there. I have an issue with the unbalanced mechanic of bumping and I have flogged this one to death so many times. That CCP decided that there was no demand for an end to unlimited bumping is the same as them not understanding that hanger management is a major issue.

Not a bad idea that one, I am glad you updated your post a bit as I was not sure how to reply to it.

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They were not your logs, don’t know why you think that they were your logs?

Because you have no kills on me perhaps?

Yeah, so what.

No, it was an alliance mates JF that I had the logs for which I asked for to see how many ships you used to point him so I could work out my own counters. Then I saw this thread where the OP accused you of cheating and I decided to check my logs and further educate myself. As I said above I don’t think you are cheating as far as I can see

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Let’s just call it what it is, a hypothetical witch hunt with theoretical pitchforks and torches.
:man_farmer::woman_farmer: :arrow_right: :supervillain:

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Let me repeat myself.

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You still don’t get this forum. :thinking:

Do explain?

There are some people that dont read accurately what is said, and confuse who said what (deliberately, or not).

Then there is a person that thinks its ok to call someone retarded, “sperging”, and accuse/imply another poster as a pedophile, twice.

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Simply put, we’re here for the fun and not to uphold someone’s innocence and virginity.

Whats fun about calling a player retarded, and accusing/implying another player of pedophilia, twice?

Can you answer that?

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Assumptions are always fun.

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Almost as fun as certain people in here being friends/looking up to certain former ag moderators

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That’s rich coming from a 4 yr old alt that’s holding a corp for main character to hide in.

Yup, definitely sad, gotta log in his alt character to meta game this thread. Posting history for Annah Tsero only shows 7 replies - all done in this thread within the past 20 hrs. What’s next, Domiboi logs in and says he isn’t an alt?

:wink:

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Gankers in highsec at prime time? Seems like everything is working as intended.

These aren’t issues. What I find amusing is after 15 years people still come to the forums and act like sucide ganking or cloaky camping is an “issue”. It isn’t. You are suppose to be vulnerable to the other players in this PvP sandbox game.

Yes, that means you are not suppose to have 100% ratting space in nullsec secured by the free and perfect intel of local chat. Yes, that means you are vulnerable to attack anywhere, including highsec, by another player who is filling to accept the consequences for shooting you. This is all, completely intended game play, and there is zero chance CCP will change this, not without deciding to give up on the core idea of the game they set out to build.

Sure, they may change how local and cloaking work, or tweak numbers and penalties for highsec aggression, but the core idea of the game is that the other players can always mess with you, everywhere. There is no safe space, and there is not suppose to be. Players claiming the game is broken because they are at risk of attack is just noise that will be largely ignored.

Maybe CCP will some day decide that suicide ganking needs a change but they won’t just remove it, they will replace it with some other way for players to interact with each other in highsec. And if so, players like the one the OP was accusing of cheating will adapt, and use this new system to explode players and take their stuff as the game is suppose to work.

Things like suicide ganking, and cloaky camping are a major part of the game that keeps thousands of others playing this game so long after most MMOs died on the vine. They may change someday, but the vulnerability to other players they bring to the game, which is really what most players are whining about, will never go away. The consequence they provide and the player-driven economy they enable are much more important to the longevity of this game then the loss of some farmers.

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But these two things combined will mean that you have to click, move the mouse a tiny bit, click, move the mouse again. This limits the amount of chars you can activate per second drastically. 8 per second is not possible with this.

With the best setup it needs 1 click per client plus some form of other hand-action, either to switch windows using a keystroke or moving the mouse to the next window. Even a small movement (actually especially a small movement) takes time. 8 per second = not possible. 8 clicks, yes. 8 clicks, plus in between 8-1 targeted movements of the mouse, no.

7 ships/s is not 7 actions/s but 14. 1 click and 1 action to change windows by alt-tab or moving the mouse a bit.

There is some law, I forgot the name, which says that the smaller the target area of a movement is, the long it takes to do a move towards it. 7 mouse targeted mouse movements plus 7 clicks per second, is not what humans can do.

p.s. I’d be better to keep the pro/anti ganking discussion out of this, since it can only muddy the waters of analysis.

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He agreed with you, and you with him.

The issue here is whether illegal automation was used, or not.

This is not about the legality of suicide ganking, as it is legal atm.

PS: Its possible this whale freighter was a false flag for “CODE is relevant” propaganda and click-bait in their own interest.

Agreed and while there quite possibly is some general anti-ganking thought behind the opening post, early on this thread moved away from this part. Ganking, cloaky camping, mining, ratting, whatever - they should all follow the same set of universal rules.

The rules about input automation give people the necessary clarity about the game environment to allow for meaningful choices. So while input automation in ganking might not have the same negative effect on the grand scale as mining automation has, it undermines the clarity of what does and what doesn’t go. We can outsmart and outplay each other in many different ways - that’s the fun of the game. But the rules forbid that we out-bot each other, just like we may not visit each other at home to do real life ganks.

The game needs limits so that it can be limitless within their frame.

As @Whitehound put it, this may be seen as a theoretical witchhunt. I’ve not seen any logs from anyone, so I was just replying to those theoretical questions: how many semi-precise hand actions can a human do per second.

If anyone finds to be shot at by 6+ chars in the same server tick, it either means they are facing several real persons or that the opponent is using input automation/broadcasting. It doesn’t say that anyone here did this, how the fck would I know. If however, someone sees this and has reason to believe it might not be a team of players, a report to CCP is necessary.

Of course some people make stupid mistakes (like flying 80b in a JF in the way that was linked) and they immediately accuse gankers of cheating. It’s a reaction to their own mistake and it can be ignored.

But if something like input broadcasting ganking is happening, and if one person ever does the effort to prove it, well then… what do you think will happen? How many support tickets will come in from everyone who was ever ganked, no matter if input automation was used or not.

Like I said before, the OP linked killmail is doable by a single player, but within a certain timeframe. If it is a single ganker as he himself suggests and the timeframe was unreasonably short, he was indeed using input broadcasting and people who think ganking is important, should not tolerate such.

Best answer ever.

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