Oh, it is possible - after all it is done in well trained short burst of activity. If someone was doing this for 10s straight - that would be stretching it. 30s? I doubt our muscles can activate that frequently for that long w/o losing precision. BTW, did you know that Kusion and others sometimes fail to activate some guns? Because no matter how well trained this is still pretty hard to execute correctly. Is like mwd + cloak trick - simple in principle, but execution of it is where the devil lies.
I dont think 7-8 manual switches between 7-8 client windows, with 7-8 additional manual lock commands, in 1 second, is humanly possible without automation.
Thats 14-16 commands per second, so an interval of 6.5milliseconds to 7.1 milliseconds between actions/commands.
I can do it. As long as I don’t have to process information.
Show us.
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The question in the OP was settled in the first 50 posts. It is possible using the cascading window approach to click 5 times in a second - multiple people have streamed themselves doing just that. Maybe even a little more is possible. Plus, even the combat logs are insufficient proof as a different lock times between alts, or lag, will allow you to apparently fire off many characters in that first second.
As you say the only definitive logs are the ones CCP have. And the only way to ask CCP to check that is to file a ticket. I am sure a large fraction of the people ganked by one of these obvious multiboxers file such a ticket, and the fact that the multiboxers are still around is tacit proof these are just players well practiced at using legal multiboxing techniques to shoot someone with 10 or even 20 alts over a few seconds.
Anyone has the right to petition CCP if they think another player is cheating. I have done it several times after uncovering obvious bots or suspected alpha account abusers. But it is the job of the GM, not the armchair judges in this thread making declarations of cheating based on data they can’t possible have to determine who is cheating. This thread should have been locked a long time ago as the only topic is something that isn’t the business of anyone but the players involved, and the GM who can properly assess if any rules have been broken.
In fact, I am going to report it as such right now.
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Please link vid.
In this case we seem to be dealing with 14-16 actions per second, for the first second, as one action to switch between clients, and the other to activate target lock, per those first 7-8 accounts, within 1 second.
That means the interval between the 2 actions (client switch + target lock) on each of the first 7-8 accounts, is at 1/14-1/16 of a second per action, within the first second.
For purposes of comparison, the average time for a complete human eyelid blink, is 1/3-1/4 of a second, and thats an involuntary defensive reflex.
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I never saw a video of the player actually clicking the mouse etc. as well as seeing his screen. Would be interesting.
My alliance mate who I got the logs from did not. That is one hell of an assumption you are making there and then you get this:
Wow! I would be very interested to hear if CCP have ever investigated one of his ganks.
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You have proof of this of course. Please share it with us.
Come out of the woods in which you live and check Twitch - he is offline at this moment but when he is online you can see him what he does and how.
Do you have a video that I can see with that on. Yes / No?
Always so uncivil…
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In other words, a human can blink 3-4 times per second, yet here @Australian_Excellence apparently made 14-16 key/mouse commands (to access individual client windows in sequence, and activate target lock on each of those 7-8 accounts) (weapon activation being presumed to happen previously ) per the first second.
So he basically blinked with his fingers, with manual key/mouse commands, at 400-500% the rate a human eyelid can blink at, to issue 14-16 manual commands to 7-8 accounts, in one second.
Does that sound plausible to you, without automation?
In his defence, the rest of the sequence of the accounts involved according to available data seems to fall within reasonable human parameters, but the first 7-8, do not.
You don’t need to switch between clients as you see from this video. You just sequentially ctrl-click in a line. I time about 3 alts per second here, but there were examples of people doing this even faster out there that have been taken down and I think you can see how that if the windows were closer together, how that would be possible.
And if the first few gankers have a point fit instead of sebo, they are going to take longer to lock, making it appear that more clicks were made in a shorter period of you go by when the damage hit. I don’t know how others operate, but you don’t need a point on every ganker so it makes sense to start with those with slower lock times so I do.
But to measure actions-per-second you need either a video, which most cheaters are not going to provide, or access to logs we don’t have. It makes sense that some players don’t realize how optimized and practiced these multiboxers are and might be concerned, but this thread of people making blanket assertions about what is possible is inane. There are people out there better and faster than you. Just report them and let CCP check instead of making declarations you can’t possibly know for sure.
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I had that as four per second. That just made me start to have major doubts about it again.
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It is inplausible and suspect that anyone can enter 14-16 commands to 7-8 individual accounts in 1 second.
For 7-8 accounts, it would be 14-16 actions, as swapping between account windows and then issuing target lock command, in 1 second.
I do not see this as humanly possible without automation.
Sure, but it isn’t implausible that AE activated 20 clients in 5 seconds or that the first tick might be a few higher than the 5/s limit I think the most reasonably possible because of different lock time.
There is a limit to what is possible. No one would debate that. But there is no evidence of anyone exceeding that here, and you won’t even be able to tell for sure without video or CCP log evidence, especially as you approach that limit.
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The logs I have indicate that it was eight.
This is now about the first 7-8 accounts.
That would require 14-16 actions per second, which is very suspect and very implausible, considering we can only even blink 3-4times a second.
its been said multiple times lock time and lag
you arent just purposely obtuse, you two are also mentally retarded
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This is getting you nowhere.
Criminals almost always lie to the end, and you just added another forum infraction to your long list.
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