A Premise For Life Existing In The Universe Outside of Earth

I heard that in multiverse everything is true.

About determinism, history is determined, future in a big, physics scale is, what we dont actually know, is a small bubble we call our experiences thru life. It is determined by big things like physics laws, but it is also not determined in small things because of our choices, yet we can sometimes say what will happen, to some extend.

WTF? All I am saying is that life would have happened under the same circumstances even if all the little turns and details of evolution would be completely different. Rewind back the tape of life on Earth, start all over again from the formation of oceans, and you’d get a completely different life, but you still would get life.

Life didn’t happen because every little detail was as it was, it could had happen as long as the start conditions were similar enough. Maybe a wee bit colder, maybe a wee bit less density of chemicals, doesn’t matters, life would had happen the same. Not because of a external factor, a creator, but because the laws of chemistry are what they are, Carbon 12 behaves as it does and the building blocks of life are omnipresent (even in space on the surface of comets) so whenever you start in the same conditions as life started on Earth, life will also start. Just it might not be the life we know with all its fine details after evolution.

The occurence of life on Earth is a unique event, but not necessarily a unlikely event.

You only need to eat a couple of mushrooms, smoke a few joints and take an acid. Then not only does everything become true, but true becomes everything, true everything becomes and everything true becomes. And then some more. :dealwithitparrot:

With or without multiverses, we only know of one universe: ours. And it’s not a deterministic one; sometimes chaos is self-organizing so it looks like determination, but in the deepest level of matter, Mr. Heisenberg takes the helm and says “you shall not know”, and there’s no determinism without knowledge.

In such a small scale, the amount of information is too much, too fast for us humans to handle. I think it may be pretty much determined, but it have to deal with us then. And If anybody knows what will happen tomorrow, its yet not here. Undetermined. To what extend? I dont know.

There may be a slight chance of cat.

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You are correct.

The environment would not be exactly the same as when the car crash happened. It would be infinitely impossible to recreate the crash scene in every exacting detail that must be present in order for the crash scene to be 100% accurate.

…but since Earth is among the 8% of habitable planets that have seeded in the Universe with the remaining 92% still to come in the future, the life that would exist in the Universe would be much like the initial car crash that sent pieces of debris flying away from the car in numerous directions.

Although the crash can never be reproduced the life creating elements would have been distributed across the Universe during the Big Bang because the elements that make of the life sustaining planets in the Universe would have come from the same initial Big Bang.

The remainder of the planets that would come after the Big Bang would be as a result of other factors such as a car colliding with the two wrecked cars that would then send more elements into the Universe to form habitable planets.

Such interactions would involve large asteroids impacting a planet with life on it such as Earth where the elements that sustain life on Earth would then be ejected into space to then eventually find a new home on a lifeless rock waiting for such elements to be introduced to start the process of life.

We can save life. We can protect it. We can seed it. :sunglasses:

But here is the thing. One part of the sentence is true for all we know. The other part is a speculation. We believe there is a likeliness in the universe, because things look alike from a distance. But is this really true?

Whenever we look closer do we start to find distinctive features that tell us the exact opposite. Things only seem to be alike, but then they are not, because they’re made out of so many things that it’s near impossible for two stars to be exactly the same for instance.

But once we zoom in to the smallest things then something weird happens. Take electrons or protons for example… There we believe they are all exactly the same!

But it has led scientists to believe that this might be wrong, and that in the whole of the universe there may actually be only one electron and what we are seeing aren’t many, but it is just one and the same electron, only it’s in different places and its able to move through time. You can read about it here.

The theory not only shows that the human mind tends to reject the idea of there being things, which are absolutely identical to one another, but it has in fact opened up the world of quantum theory to us, where strange is the new normal.

So why assume likeliness could be found everywhere and that it is equally distributed for all things, even life, when obviously it isn’t?

Let me try it this way then.

At a single point in the development of the Big Bang the processes within the Big Bang created life sustaining matter. Since the Universe is expanding so to would this point, what should it be called?

Creation Point - the point at which the Big Bang created matter that was life sustaining and then rapidly expanded.

At Creation Point, just like a Singularity, Creation Point was about the size of a marble (yellow in the center of the tree ring) but contained a mass of life matter trillions of times a trillion tons in volume. Then suddenly the Big Bang expanded and in that moment Creation Point also expanded. As Creation Point expanded past the zone of intense radiation (red lines) where life does not exist, the space around the expanding Creation Point cooled as did elements such as oxygen, carbon hydrogen,nitrogen,calcium,phosphorus,potassium,sulfur,sodium,chlorine and magnesium, all of which are necessary for life to exist.

Other elements such as iron also began to cool at the very first yellow line and in between the last red line of the intense zone of radiation. As the expanding Big Bang expanded and rapidly cooled it left behind zones where suns, planets and ice was formed until Creation Point met the edge of space where the Big Bang expands outward as well as the initial edge of Creation Point continuing to create new life (green line).

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Creation point would have spread life matter through space much the same as if the surface of a balloon was coated with grass then blown up or expanded. When the surface of the balloon came into contact with the soil the seeds, much the same as the mass of life matter would stick to the soil or planets that had formed during the expansion of Creation Point.

Therefore life would be present in the Universe other than Earth because the same instance of the Big Bang that created Creation Point would have expanded outwards along the same frontal edge of the expanding Big Bang.

We can narrow down the point of creation for humanity by simply looking at the following image that shows the percentages of elements that the human body contains.

If science is able to determine at which point on the surface of the balloon that the elements mixed as seen in the percentages of the image below were present in the Universe, then an age of when Creation Point created human life can be assigned to other areas of the Universe as well.

When oxygen at 65%,carbon at 18%, hydrogen at 10% nitrogen at 3%, plus the remaining 4% are determined to have mixed together in the same percentages during the expanding of Creation Point then a distance from the center of the Big Bang can be determined. A distance from the center of the Big Bang that would give us the ability to determine at what point in time that other regions of space would have experienced the same Creation Point event.

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You could also try looking for where it has bagels in the universe. Based on the chemical elements inside a bagel could you try to find theoretical creation points in the universe where it could have bagels. Once you have found proof of an actual bagel could you then try looking further to see if there is also life nearby, because were it has bagels there is a likeliness for nearby life.

Might be though there is only a giant cloud in space, which isn’t made from dust, gas or alcohol but one that’s made entirely from bagels.

Or as they explained it to me from Radiant Space…

Material wise it makes sense to not completely encapsulate a star and block off it’s light but form more of a mesh around it .

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Some talking points on Dyson Spheres for those more in the know than I:

  • Just the raw amount of gold needed for such an undertaking and where to find it.

  • Wouldnt being that close to a star melt everything?

  • The amount of materials for the frame work of such a construct and where to find them.

  • Atmosphere. How to build it and protect it from solar winds, radiation protection from an ozone layer, protection from heat. (Thinking of a spherical built like the rings from Halo.)

  • Will it be a rather thick structure with no external atmo but rather solar panels and vents on the sun side while being more of a veneer space station around the star?

  • Gravity well of the star. Would being that close to the star be too much for humans to survive? Would structure rotation mitigate gravitational effects and how would that be achieved?

Aaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnd…go.

In order for a Dyson Sphere to exist the civilization would need to be space faring in order to harvest all of the minerals from the entire solar system in order to build the shell itself, let alone the billions of miles, maybe even trillions of miles of piping conduit for heating, electricity, sanitation, even the cabling for entertainment would most likely consume every last amount of metallic resource the system had to offer.

Then you have to factor in the factories being made of metal elements that would consume even more resources.

The feasibility of a Dyson Sphere would not be possible unless at least four or five super sized Earths were present in the solar system.

But if you are a civilization capable of traveling to the planets in your own solar system to harvest such resources, why would you create such a behemoth of a facility that would be very susceptible to large asteroid impacts that would cause the entire Dyson Sphere to implode due to rapid decompression?

I was watching a video about the Challenge Deep expedition that involved an experiment of what would happen to an unprotected human skull at 16,000 psi or the pressure at the depths of the Marianas Trench.

The image below shows the original size of a human head on the left and the smaller sized human head on the right that had all of the air sucked out.

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At one time the human skull was much smaller than it is today. Perhaps at Creation Point the PSI was somewhere around 16,000 psi that over time resided that allowed the human skull and muscular skeleton to increase in mass that allowed the evolution of the human brain to develop past the cave man stage of development.

More importantly though is that at sometime in the past of the Universe there would have been a state of consistent pressure that allowed single celled organisms to develop a brain that as the pressure decreased the brain size increased as did the skull.

In the image below there are two skulls. The top skull is the skull from the human family often referred to as the “The Hobbits”

The bottom skull is the skull of a modern human

Hobbit

The thing with Homo floresiensis is that they were not Homo sapiens like you and I are, they were a completely different species that died out 15,000 years ago.

15,000 to 25,000 years ago Homo floresiensis existed on Earth and could have in fact been one of the earliest species of human life on Earth that over time as the pressure decreased after the formation of the Earth the species Homo floresiensis grew into the modern day human species.

If a state of pressure per square inch can be determined that kept Homo floresiensis the small size that it was after the formation of Earth and life began to emerge then a localized PSI of the Universe can be determined based on the PSI present during the expanding of the Big Bang. Once the time period and distance from the center of the Big Bang is found that resides within the necessary PSI for
Homo floresiensis to survive on Earth then an area in our Universe can be determined to have the necessary PSI that allowed early proteins to adapt to the pressure and then grow larger and larger brains and the skulls that protect the brain and other biological parts of the body.

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Forgotten Element Could Redefine Time

But what is Time?

Time is the measurable distance that an energetic body comprised of atoms or wavelengths will travel in X amount of time. The amount of time traveled is based on interactions with other energetic bodies, the medium that the energetic body is passing through and other factors that science has yet to discover.

In 1967, the International Committee for Weights and Measures defined the second as the amount of time it takes for a cesium atom to absorb enough energy to be excited — that is, for its electrons to jump from one energy state to the next. For this to happen, the atom must be pulsed with exactly 9,192,631,770 cycles of microwave radiation.

If we were to structure the Universe in microwave pulses so that each element of the human body, Oxygen, Carbon, Hydrogen, Nitrogen and remaining elements are created in time and absorb enough energy to become excited for one second so that electrons are able to jump from one energy state to the next, we can coordinate a set values to locate the point in the Universes expanse when the seed of humanity came to be.

When microwaves are pulsed in a frequency that excites each of the elements in the human body based on the volumes of elements needed for the communication between cells to generate each of the systems of the human that would have been present during the earlier formation of the Universe in the same volumes then we can come closer to determining a point at which the seed of humanity was created.

We can also then determine that because the same pulses of microwaves would have been present and pulsing from the center of the Universe outwards, that the Zones of Creation that had the same volumes of elements as our human body would have jumped to from one energy state to the next so that at the exact moment in time all of the elements of the human body obtained the energy needed to absorb each other and create a symbiotic relationship of sharing energy that then created the seed of human life and other life that then evolved appropriately based on other factors. Other factors such as psi on the skull, that allows and contains the growth of the human brain and necessary facilities to communicate between the brain cells the same that the early cells of the human body communicated.

Not all zones within the Zone of Creation would have seen the same values of energy that caused the electrons to jump to the next orbital and would not have created the seed of life. But when areas within the Zone of Creation encountered microwave pulse and had the same volumes of elements that the human body has proportionally, then the seed of life would have been create at those points at the exact same time through the Zone of Creation.

The center of the Universe then began to spin in different directions causing the slowly forming elements of life within the Zone of Creation to mix with solar systems that had formed already from other elements but did not have the elements present.

Some planets would have formed with the seeds of life present in the elements flowing through the solar system. But until the point of when the planet cooled enough to allow communication between the seeds of life the next jump of the seed of life from seed to developing organism would not have taken place. When a planet cooled just enough to allow the energy of the seed of life to jump to the next orbital is when life began to form on planets throughout the Universe.

Some planets may be like Earth with a lot of water and rocks on them but they haven’t encountered the seed of life yet but will in time pass through the conflux of the elements of life that continue to twist and expand outward into smaller and smaller capillaries of the elements that created humans and other life on Earth.

This process would be similar to how millions of sperm or the elements of life circling the center of the Universe in the Zone of Creation would come across the females egg. Millions of possibilities but only one exact point of temperature convergence that allowed the elements of life to impregnate the planet with life.

What we could be seeing taking place in KIC 8462852’s solar system is not an advanced life form…but the formation of life taking place.

Life forming in a solar system has never before been seen or witnessed. But according to NASA, 92% of planets that are habitable have yet to come. Life forming in a solar would therefore create a lot of odd occurrences to say the least as the elements combined in such a way that would effect the suns output or its light curve as a whole.

The solar systems that are unique and have odd light curve values similar to KIC 8462 that are not understood could be explained as potentially being solar systems where life is forming and slowly taking hold.

We know that life exists on Earth. Would it be so illogical that planets close to Earth might also have encountered the same circumstances that sparked life on Earth but took slightly longer to do so?

Think of a camp fire and a log.

One point on the log will catch fire, this is the point at which life came to be on Earth, then slowly through the transfer of energy to the rest of the log, the log catches fire.

Like I have wrote some time ago in ancient aliens thread, we probably dont see anything now because civilizations are fairly shortlived or life just stays on the level of dinos or bacterial mats, intelligence being overrated by us. In whole history of life on earth since life came to … life, we had just a short spark of radio waves emitting civilization, eating some animals to enxtinction on the way to our grandeur.

We could lets say look at the atmosphere of an alien planet and judge it can have some life, but then what? Coming there in millions of years, just to discover some bacterial mats and dying there, sinking in a bog of toxic, volatile chemicals of alien biomass? :thinking:

Finding life that probably exists thruout the cosmos is one thing, but then what?

There are things to consider.