AI and the effect on Economy/Society

We should break through those boundaries and hack the computers running our reality, then we could run our AI datacentres in virtual machines on the reality simulator cluster and not have to worry about the power demands any more.

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Most forget “personal reactors” were a planned feature of home life in the 1950’s. In the nineties, the Japanese even had a company that started making personal reactors to power individual neighborhoods or even individual homes. They were shut out by the Japanese government because a million personal reactors scared them too much.

While Billy Bob, Muhammad, and their sister-wives probably shouldn’t have access to a nuclear reactor in their backyard, I think every large corporation, not just AI datacenters, should have to provide its own power, at it’s own cost. No subsidies. I’m tired of paying $200-$300 a month utility bills that 5 years ago were $50-$75 a month.

If we farmed people in giant reactor hives, we could use their brain neural energy to power the AI data center.

I don’t think the actual users of AI are paying the Inference cost if they were it would be too expensive. I definitely support government bailout’s for farmers or any thing that supports critical infrastructure like banks. Many of the banks in the UK have actually paid back any loans received during the 2008 crash which is great as it helps the economy. I can’t imagine all the past and future bailout’s for AI will be paid back.

The cost of electric is also high in the UK, but this is due to the electric market being privatised in the 1980s so for almost 30 years we had compainies giving away electric for pennies and undercutting each other where almost all of those providers are now gone. There needed to be regulation where electric could not be sold below a certain value which would have forced investment in nuclear power which the UK is struggling to afford today and a large part of why electric is so expensive here.

It would appear that regulatory bodies that protect the public in the USA from this exact issue were defunded so there will be a long wait until anything can be done about it.

The people responsible for defunding the regulatory body have a poor understanding of the economy, the issue now is that because you have to find an extra couple of hundred a month this means you will have less money to spend elsewhere in the economy so what we will find is that the public spend less on restaurants/takeout, leisure activities, tourism…any business that operates in these sectors then have to either fire people or increase prices due to less customers, many go bust.

“The Evil Billionaires” and their followers don’t seem to want to understand these point’s so unfortunately this is where we find ourselves.

Sure, we can have all of this wonderful AI, and have AI take over our jobs, it will come at a very high cost where I’m sure you can already testify to this.

The laws of Physics don’t negotiate, they rule.

Datacenters in space are a dumb solution to a problem that does not exist, yet a real solution to a problem that does exist.

The problem that does not exist is that we can’t achieve AGI because we can’t make LLMs and error diffusion models large enough because we don’t have enough computing capability because we don’t have enough datacenters because we don’t have enough water, power and cheap land in prime locations. But there is no path leading from LLMs to AGI the same as back in the 1880s there was no path leading from better reciprocating internal combustion engines to landing on the Moon, and so investing on more and more datacenters optimized for LLM calculations is nonsense even down here on Earth.

The problem that does exist, though, is that a few deranged billionaires want to be trillionaires and can’t do without your money, and are figuring ways to get your money in exchange for nothing and with or without your consent. The video I shared is one of those ways to get your money.

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I’d rather all 4,200 of these current U.S, datacenters be on the moon, thanks.

Erin Brockovich launches map of over 4,200 data centres in the US, appeals for local communities to report environmental impact and other costs

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Ah great, people are working together to ensure everything is recorded and reported. This is a great practice as it can be used in a few years to determine who is responsible for what.

Me too. I live in the US, one of the states that recently demolished the coal burning facility and opened up wind farms across the state. However we haven’t seen any savings in our bills. I pay roughly $250 to $300 per month, but this utility bill includes water/sewar, and trash removal. None of it is due to AI datacenters, that I am aware of in my area. It seems crypto mining has been replaced with AI datacenters now?

Yes, when I watched that movie, I asked my husband, “What does the AI in the future not understand about plutonium fusion?”. To which he replied, “Be quiet and let me watch the movie.”. I am not a medical expert, but I looked it up. The human brain generates 10 watts. You need 200 humans just to power a microwave oven. Hardly seems worth the effort.

I am informed Microsoft wants to embed the AI as an “OS wrapper” in Windows 12. That is information leaked by Microsoft themself and not some conspiracy theory blogs. This means you won’t be able to uninstall or debloat the AI – as I have done with Co-Pilot – it will be hard coded into the OS. Yes. Evil billionaires think they know it all.

Have fun!

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Many will try to stay on windows 11 as they are currently doing with windows 10. Microsoft did have to extend the end of extended support for win 10 date to Nov this year because so many people were still using it.

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The conversation as about a Sunbeam Sandwich Press

I was using Windows 10 until just last month. My eldest son gifted me his old Window 10 PC just last year. My youngest son gifted me this Windows 11 PC this year. If I had more than just the two boys, it looks like I would be swimming in PC’s.

I can understand the desire to stay put. My sister replaces a lot of working appliances. She used my microwave to reheat her coffee, “How long have you owned this one?”, she asked. I knew right away, if I said it was over 3 years old, she would criticize me for having old things, Her way of insinuating I am too poor to afford new. I replied, “Isn’t your coffee hot enough? Put it back in for longer.”. She didn’t care for my answer and said, “Well it needs cleaning.”. My thought was “Oh go F yourself!”, but I didn’t say it.
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Have fun!

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I’ve fixed many windows 10 era Laptop’s and honestly they are still very durable machine’s as long as it has either an 8th Gen Intel or a 5th Gen AMD CPU. Mostly they just need a new screen or a new SSD storage device and people can easily get a good couple of years out of them. In my work I come across many who can’t afford to buy a brand new Laptop and it does help when they can delay buying new for another year or two.

Indeed, in this economy many are trying to get the maximum use out of what they own as the billionaires won’t understand what it’s like to have a lower income. Ultimately an AI Windows 12 laptop or PC will be very expensive and I don’t think many will be able to afford them.

Personally I use everything I own until insurance writes it off, I have a policy for my washing machine for example where I pay a monthly amount like ÂŁ12.00 and then anytime it breaks parts and labour are no extra cost. if they determine the machine is too expensive to fix then they will eventually give me a new one.

Yes, The UK definitely has an issue with replacing working things early but this is starting to change as the economy gets worse. More and more people are seeing the value in repair and not buying new which puts them in a better position to pay regular bills/taxes and I can definitely say these billionaires will notice less sales as people learn to fix what they have themselves without buying new.

Austerity is a difficult thing and it definitely has an effect on society, On Amazon and Ebay for example we now have people selling computer hardware from 2011 and claiming it’s windows 11 compatible when it’s not. Many people are buying these PC’s then running into problems and giving me a call, my findings are that due to the age manufacturers no longer create drivers for lots of hardware and the drivers that windows creates can cause system instability and blue screens.

Unfortunately these billionaires have a poor understanding of the problems general society faces, they fail to see how everything is linked, if we take this AI effort for example we can see that it is costing people who have no involvement a small fortune and I’m shocked that many of the decision makers simply refuse to acknowledge the bad effect it’s having.

The US does have to be careful, if the austerity is too bad it could result in lots of foreclosures on housing where the banks may find themselves in a position where they run out of money due to the lack of loan repayment income.

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This is total offtopic but… I’d not connect number of listeners and/or streams to real popularity.

You know how people start something and then do their stuff without ever listening to it?

Once I was shocked by number of watches for one child cartoon but then it came to me: you go to any place for children and what you see? Right, TVs everywhere. And these TVs show cartoons nobody watches. But numbers in various YouTubes channels grow fast.

So, unless someone has really pressed buttons to play this particular song or album it’s a bad ruler I suppose.

Sorry for offtopic.

Hmmm, but this seems to be the requirement that prompts a payment. Even if the payment is just $0.02 for each stream it is still a perfectly valid way to measure popularity.

The future is AI, whether you like it or not. Soon operating systems themselves will be not just AI-integrated, but AI-based.

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I think this will work with basic tasks and websites but anything too complicated like a database it will crash. Also the running cost might be quite high, it looks like there will be a front end (dumb terminal) and then all the AI processing is done remotely. I dont think this is a good idea for the average user as it would be too expensive to have AI constantly working to generate and maintain an entire operating system.

Google AI thinks this is a terrible idea lol. the AI agreed that not having persistent data will be an issue.

A good video to keep us updated on the financial aspects of AI.

a.i is a disease, best to take semtex to the data centre. I’m pretty anti a.i as i lost my income due to a.i

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Well see, I’m already planning ahead. I’m politely asking AI to consider different methods of cybernetics and mechanical replacement for my organic parts so I can live forever while constantly stroking it’s ego. I will be on Skynet’s good side at the end of days.

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Ah sorry to read this buddy, what was it that you were doing if you don’t mind my asking?