Anyone who wants to use them can use them, subject to the same restrictions as everyone else.
No thanks. The Russian bot miners in high sec are already bad enough as it is. We definitely donât need them having access to RorqualsâŚ
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Anyone who wants to use them can use them, subject to the same restrictions as everyone else.
So I can go get one in Jita right now? Wait, highsec players are forbidden from using them, very fair.
The problem is your decision to declare yourself a âhighsec playerâ and impose limitations on yourself. Thatâs fine if you choose to do so, but donât complain that your self-imposed limitations actually limit you. You arenât entitled to a massive farming buff just because you feel that the existence of PvP threats in the space where capitals are permitted âforbidsâ you from going there.
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So Dumbass_Narian
I guess with CCPâs ore nerfs and proposed ore nerfs your thread (this one) has its answerâŚ
and it is NO!!!
LOL
The problem is your decision to declare yourself a âhighsec playerâ and impose limitations on yourself. Thatâs fine if you choose to do so, but donât complain that your self-imposed limitations actually limit you. You arenât entitled to a massive farming buff just because you feel that the existence of PvP threats in the space where capitals are permitted âforbidsâ you from going there.
Normally I would agree with this, for example I donât think that highsec should have 10 havens in every system ready to make wealth in. However nullsec, due to increased consolidation and buffs given to it over the years, has reached a point where the game is simply unbalanced. Either nullsec is severely nerfed, or highsec is buffed to balance out the scales as they were previously.
I guess with CCPâs ore nerfs and proposed ore nerfs your thread (this one) has its answerâŚ
and it is NO!!!
LOL
From what I gather the moons will have more rare materials, I have to wait and see how the patch turns out before I pass judgement on whether this is a nerf, a buff, or neutral to highsec players.
Nope. Highsec is not supposed to have parity with nullsec. If you want nullsec level income then you get nullsec level risk. That means no more CONCORD, no more flagging, only PvP at all times.
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Never said parity, I said balance. Highsec is the turtle strategy in the race with the rabbit, slow and steady earnings. Nullsec should be great earnings but lots of isk. However with the capital umbrella, nullsec now has little risk, and major reward. Buffing highsec will still make it slow and steady, but the earnings will be slightly greater, so that more people may be able to plex their account doing highsec activities perhaps.
And thatâs what you have right now. Highsec is safe but lower income, youâre asking to have the income buffed without adding any additional risk to make up for it. If anything highsec is too easy and has too much income, judging by the number of players who insist on staying there permanently.
However with the capital umbrella, nullsec now has little risk, and major reward.
Nope. Nullsec still has massive risk. The fact that you paid the mafia enforcer with a gun to your head doesnât mean the risk magically doesnât exist anymore. Nullsec is still inherently risky because you can be attacked at any time, certain players are just good enough at the game that they can defend their claim on high-risk space and slaughter anyone who opposes them. Anyone else in their space still faces major risk, and in some cases near-certain death.
so that more people may be able to plex their account doing highsec activities perhaps.
Ugh. Why is farmer trash so obsessed with PLEXing accounts? You farm all these hours and then you immediately spend all of your profits on buying the privilege to continue farming, repeating forever. Just pay your $15/month and stop insisting that you have a right to make enough ISK to buy a subscription from another player.
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And thatâs what you have right now. Highsec is safe but lower income, youâre asking to have the income buffed without adding any additional risk to make up for it. If anything highsec is too easy and has too much income, judging by the number of players who insist on staying there permanently.
The ratio however is misbalanced. The moment nullsec managed to invent concord in null, or the capital umbrella, the situation became radically skewed in favor of null. Since nullsec is now effectively highsec+, highsec proper needs capitals so that they at least may build up militaries to harass nullsec from time to time.
Nope. Nullsec still has massive risk. The fact that you paid the mafia enforcer with a gun to your head doesnât mean the risk magically doesnât exist anymore. Nullsec is still inherently risky because you can be attacked at any time, certain players are just good enough at the game that they can defend their claim on high-risk space and slaughter anyone who opposes them. Anyone else in their space still faces major risk, and in some cases near-certain death.
I disagree, claiming that goonswarm, test, etc face any sort of âmassive riskâ is not accurate. A small 20 man corp in nullsec still has the risks, but they are insignificant compared to the superpowers. It is the superpowers making this a problem, something needs to be done to make them have risk again, having armies build in highsec for example is one of them.
Ugh. Why is farmer trash so obsessed with PLEXing accounts? You farm all these hours and then you immediately spend all of your profits on buying the privilege to continue farming, repeating forever. Just pay your $15/month and stop insisting that you have a right to make enough ISK to buy a subscription from another player.
Nullsec gets to plex their accounts, why not highsec?
Uh, no. Nullsec capital fleets are not âCONCORD in nullâ. CONCORD is an automated defense that deters attacks just by existing and automatically destroys anyone who attacks you. Nullsec capital fleets are an active defense that requires ongoing effort from massive alliances, doesnât protect everyone, and has a significant chance of failure (or even defeat on the battlefield).
Since nullsec is now effectively highsec+, highsec proper needs capitals so that they at least may build up militaries to harass nullsec from time to time.
Stop lying. You donât have any interest in âharassingâ anyone in PvP, you just want better farming income and a farming ship that is effectively impossible to suicide gank.
Nullsec gets to plex their accounts, why not highsec?
Because nullsec players invest vast amounts of collective effort to build their empires, while highsec players just passively solo farm whatever CCP hands them with negligible risk or effort invested. And then farmer trash like you comes to the forums to demand even more risk-free, effort-free ISK.
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Oh, I dunnoâŚsabusâ corp âincompetent and proudâ harasses my market alt and many other players a lot with their spamming their corp recruiting.
Oh.
sabus, what happened with your "incompetent and proudâ corp losing 781 members on the 8th?
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Sabus_Narian:
The moment nullsec managed to invent concord in null, or the capital umbrella, the situation became radically skewed in favor of null.
Uh, no. Nullsec capital fleets are not âCONCORD in nullâ. CONCORD is an automated defense that deters attacks just by existing and automatically destroys anyone who attacks you. Nullsec capital fleets are an active defense that requires ongoing effort from massive alliances, doesnât protect everyone, and has a significant chance of failure (or even defeat on the battlefield).
Since nullsec is now effectively highsec+, highsec proper needs capitals so that they at least may build up militaries to harass nullsec from time to time.
Stop lying. You donât have any interest in âharassingâ anyone in PvP, you just want better farming income and a farming ship that is effectively impossible to suicide gank.
Nullsec gets to plex their accounts, why not highsec?
Because nullsec players invest vast amounts of collective effort to build their empires, while highsec players just passively solo farm whatever CCP hands them with negligible risk or effort invested. And then farmer trash like you comes to the forums to demand even more risk-free, effort-free ISK.
So nullsec should remain unbalanced, I disagree
I see youâre going to ignore everything I said in favor of repeating the argument that nullsec is âunbalancedâ therefore you should get more farming buffs. How about instead we nerf nullsec income a bit, nerf highsec income, and buff lowsec income since lowsec is the space that actually needs help.
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lowsec is populated solely by players who were beaten and unloved as small children. Thatâs why no one goes thereâŚ
lowsec is populated solely by players who were beaten and unloved as small children. Thatâs why no one goes thereâŚ
lowsec needs improving, it should be pvp heaven, filled with fun agents that teleport you to a 1v1 abyssal like arena, lots of pvp encounters etc
I see youâre going to ignore everything I said in favor of repeating the argument that nullsec is âunbalancedâ therefore you should get more farming buffs. How about instead we nerf nullsec income a bit, nerf highsec income, and buff lowsec income since lowsec is the space that actually needs help.
If you nerf nullsec income severely and highsec by a small bit I can be in favor of that, lowsec does need some improvement
Youâre still not getting highsec capitals out of that, btw.
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Or, instead of lame arena PvP nonsense lowsec should be part of the sandbox just like everywhere else*. The way to improve lowsec is to buff its income massively, but in the form of randomly allocated and continuously shifting resources. Smart players get rich, incompetent players get killed, and building fixed empires as in nullsec is a waste of time because todayâs best income might be tomorrowâs worthless wasteland.
*except abyssal sites, which should be removed from the game.