In my eyes, limitations restrict the game-play.
Let the game-play restrict usage of capitals in hi sec, not the game itself.
Permitting them would create new content, so I would vote in favor of this feature.
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It wouldnât create new content. Capitals in highsec would only break the risk/reward -scaling. Capitals in highsec would only be used for farm things in total safety, thus only increasing the the current problems with bounties.
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Yes, you do. As i said before, this is the core theme around EVE online.
The Devs are on my side on this one. Not yours. This is a statement of fact.
Perfect thank you, always wondered how you quote someone. As for your comment, you can blow up every ship, however you shouldnât be expected to be able to gank every ship with a small gang. If I pay 10B for a supercarrier hull, plus 10-20B in plex to license it for highsec as part of the balance, why should you be able to gank my 30B isk ship with 20 people? Youâll need 100-300 people, which can and will happen.
This demonstrates why your argument fails. Simply stating that you can bring in 200, 300, 1000 Taloses to gank a single ship in hisec, demonstrates why these ships do not belong in hisec. CCP understands Balance, you do not. Simple as that.
Of course ccp understands balance, but I hate to break it to you, your type of player is being replaced by more casual and pve style player. Why do you think ccp changed wardecs only after so long? They understood an inherent imbalance and the population of the game changed, same here.
Because no one in hisec gets capitals. Thats how.
Then highsec is nerfed compared to highsec, that is not balance that is a scale tilted completely to one side.
I agree. So move to null or low if you want to play with capitals.
Problem solved.
No, I intend to live in highsec permanently, only people who want to restrict my gameplay are those like you, but we outnumber those who live in other areas, eventually highsec will be buffed to be equal to the other areas in fun and in wealth.
You can move capitals through wormholes too, so you are wrong. But I dont know what you are disagreeing with, since you refuse to refer to what part of my argument you are responding to.
You are correct, in that case there is really nothing other than an arbitrary limitation limiting capitals from all areas of the game, one that should be lifted.
Again, no idea what you are responding to, and since you have a tendancy to argue something i never claimed, I dont know what you are talking about.
Do you not know how to quote someone? Its really simple. Just highlight their text, and then click the âquoteâ button that pops up.
That comment mentioned that in highsec, they still can only dock in keepstars. Considering the cost, supers and titans will have great difficulty in finding resting places, hence a balance as they are introduced, plus the plex licensing fee in order to get them into highsec.
My question was:
How are they killable with even moderate difficulty by a group of, 20, 30, 40 characters without a wardec or suspect flag?
Your answer is:
you can kill them if the pilot is flagged
Congratulations on demonstrating that your argument fails.
Why should you be able to kill a super with only 20-40 people? Whaa I canât kill this battleship with a t1 frigate because he has drones, OP please nerf is your argument. You either flag him and bring more people or you just canât kill him, you pvpers can find other targets.
Sure. He can spend 4000 dollars and get skill injectors.
Now youre just being dishonest.
Im really glad you told your corp mates about this thread. You are looking like an idiot.
Sorry, but not everyone is as poor as you, for many people if they really love the game they can drop 4,000 USD, to get capitals from a fresh clone you only need around 300-700 USD anyways for plex then injectors. All I hear from you is complaining, keep thinking Iâm an idiot if it makes you happy.
If you have the ISK, what prevents you from buying a super, right now?
Um thatâs not the problem, nothing is stopping me from buying a super right now. The issue is I live in highsec, if I try to gate it into highsec Iâm not allowed by the game, so the question is more: âwhatâs stopping you from flying itâ and the answer is an arbitrary limitation that needs to be removed.
Because if he buys a super in low sec it would be the absolute proof that he has been stealing ISK from his members all year long (which I have proof of, literally a screenshot of him and rachelk withdrawing billions from the corp wallet).
Honestly mate you are wasting your time, he is a high sec carebear who has no idea what low/null/wh space really is or why its balanced the way it is.
You sure are full of anger wacky, or should I say âEvocationz Adheraâ that is the character of which you were permanently banned for due to misogyny, feel free to read up on it here: Reddit - Dive into anything
No one is stealing isk, I can afford a super quite well thank you very much with my personal wallet, please return to discussing the topic at hand and not personal insults.
Discussions are not always about trying to convince the opponent that he is wrong. It is sometimes about demonstrating to other people who read this, how stupid your opponent is.
Very well said sir 
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Sâokay dude,
When found guilty, those often find ways to attack the person who has the proof, its called a âguilty lookâ
Sâokay dude, you can be a thief
Youll need 100-300 people? You say it so easily, and yet you dont even see these numbers in almost any hisec conflict. The only time you see these numbers is in Burn Jita, and even then, the maximum youll see is 200. So it takes the largest alliance in nullsec to rally their members for a special occasion to see these numbers, and even then, if its a fully buffer tanked Hel, it still wont be enough.
But since youve brought this up multiple times, ill address this straight forward.
You said it would cost 10 B for a supercarrier, plus 10-20B in plex to liscense it for hisec.
How much ISK do you think it costs the Gankers?
300 players, times 50 million which is the cost of a stealth bomber. That is 15 billion isk.
Then 300 players, times the monthly PLEX fee that every single one of those players must pay for. With 500 Plex costing around 1.6 billion, probably more, thats around 480 billion ISK.
To be fair, lets include the monthly PLEX cost of the super pilot.
So it takes 495 billion isk, to take down a target worth 32 billion isk.
You dont think thats excessive either?
No, wardecs were never a problem to casual PVE style players. You could always stay in an NPC corp, and many did, to avoid all wardecs. The problem that CCP tried to curb was the avoidance new players joining corps, whether they be interested in PVE or PVP, and not towards the catering of Casual PVE players.
I dont understand what you mean by âhisec is nerfed compared to highsecâ. Did you mean nullsec?
Are you trying to say that there should be no difference between Nullsec and Hisec?
Are you saying that Concord should exist in Nullsec as well, and should prevent unlawful aggression, in every single system?
Furthermore, are you saying that Supers should be dockable, in any station?
This has never been a problem to people who owned Supers before Keepstars existed, and are not a problem now. Why would you think it would be a problem in hisec? The imperium alone owns around 20 keepstars. The reason only 1 exists in hisec is because there is no need for them. Test Alliance placed one just for the fun of it. If Supers are allowed in Hisec, Keepstars will also pop up, and would defeat your argument.
Why would anyone consider this a well balanced game?
Imagine, if World of Warcraft released a golden armor set that required 300 enemy players of the same level, and therefore decently armed and armored, for them to kill you.
Imagine, any game, where an opponent of the same level, required 300 people to kill you, because of your one item.
That is bad game design. Stupid game design.
If I were to make a thread here, asking people who are less than 6 months old. how many of them would be willing to drop down 4,000 USD, or have used 4000 USD in the first six months of them playing this game, how many players do you think would say yes, they have, or they would?
Stop being so dishonest.
The fact that you refused to answer, demonstrates why you are wrong.
Because the answer is âNothing, nothing at all is preventing me from buying a superâ. Which means, you can purchase one and experience, what you call the âEnd gameâ of eve online. Nothing prevents you, nothing is stopping you. And thats the point.
Discussions are not always about trying to convince the opponent that he is wrong. It is sometimes about demonstrating to other people who read this, how stupid your opponent is.
Only idiot here is you.
Well you claim to have proof, got any proof? That thread has some interesting allegations, the fact that you were permanently banned before for misogyny explained your behavior the last time I spoke to you. What say you Evocationz Adhera?
Youll need 100-300 people? You say it so easily, and yet you dont even see these numbers in almost any hisec conflict. The only time you see these numbers is in Burn Jita, and even then, the maximum youll see is 200. So it takes the largest alliance in nullsec to rally their members for a special occasion to see these numbers, and even then, if its a fully buffer tanked Hel, it still wont be enough.
Nope, your fascination with having to gank everything exposes your bias, anything that cannot easily be ganked is a problem for you. Are you one of those types that think that Orcas should be nerfed, since the 200k ehp is excessive?
No, wardecs were never a problem to casual PVE style players. You could always stay in an NPC corp, and many did, to avoid all wardecs. The problem that CCP tried to curb was the avoidance new players joining corps, whether they be interested in PVE or PVP, and not towards the catering of Casual PVE players.
To NPC players yes, those in causal PVE corporations they had much difficulty. And at the time people like you were against removing wars, but judging by your comment it seems like you had a change of heart, which is good.
I dont understand what you mean by âhisec is nerfed compared to highsecâ. Did you mean nullsec?
Yes, I meant compared to nullsec.
Are you trying to say that there should be no difference between Nullsec and Hisec?
Are you saying that Concord should exist in Nullsec as well, and should prevent unlawful aggression, in every single system?
Furthermore, are you saying that Supers should be dockable, in any station?
No the differences should remain. Concord should remain highsec only, and empire building and more plentiful resources in form of anomalies should remain in nullsec. Supers should be dockable only in keepstars, this helps encourage highsec keepstars to be dropped, and for conflicts to arise in their destruction/defense.
This has never been a problem to people who owned Supers before Keepstars existed, and are not a problem now. Why would you think it would be a problem in hisec? The imperium alone owns around 20 keepstars. The reason only 1 exists in hisec is because there is no need for them. Test Alliance placed one just for the fun of it. If Supers are allowed in Hisec, Keepstars will also pop up, and would defeat your argument.
No you just reinforced my argument, have supers in highsec and keepstars will be dropped, denying access/destroying them will be a valid gameplay style, and defending them will generate content.
Why would anyone consider this a well balanced game?
Imagine, if World of Warcraft released a golden armor set that required 300 enemy players of the same level, and therefore decently armed and armored, for them to kill you.
Imagine, any game, where an opponent of the same level, required 300 people to kill you, because of your one item.
That is bad game design. Stupid game design.
Donât forget you can kill the super with other capital ships. As for your argument of why canât I kill anyone I want, go to Jita and kill all of Jita, you cannot, and the game does not end.
If I were to make a thread here, asking people who are less than 6 months old. how many of them would be willing to drop down 4,000 USD, or have used 4000 USD in the first six months of them playing this game, how many players do you think would say yes, they have, or they would?
Stop being so dishonest.
They can wait and train it normally, its a choice on when you want the ship, if ever.
The fact that you refused to answer, demonstrates why you are wrong.
Because the answer is âNothing, nothing at all is preventing me from buying a superâ. Which means, you can purchase one and experience, what you call the âEnd gameâ of eve online. Nothing prevents you, nothing is stopping you. And thats the point.
Donât understand your fascination with this question, yes I could buy one, and no I canât experience endgame content. I live in highsec, thus I cannot fly the ship where I live. If you believe that I should then go to nullsec, you reinforce my argument of inequality between regions, and highsec being neglected in terms of development as has been the case for many years.
You can claim I am who, however you want to, seemâs this is a constant claim against anyone who goes against people. itâs quite sad really. But then people like you are rife in eve online. Also when u never undock,m how do you have so much ISK? lolz.
Iâm just enjoying watching Solonius destroy you. Capâs in high sec, itâs hilarious, we discussed this last night on comms, 17 people and not one person agreed and half fo those are vets.
You - Hilarious, keep it up, this thread is funny as hell
This is why you look like an idiot, because ive told you this before, and yet you seem to be unable to wrap your head around it. So let me tell you again.
This
Is
How
The
Game
Was
Designed.
Its not a problem for me, because the status quo is that everything in hisec is gankable.
The problem is with you. You have a problem with the Devs and how the game was designed. And you want to change it.
I think youre confusing who has the problem, here.
So you agree that it had nothing to do with Casual PVE players. Great.
So any reply on the cost disparagement between gankers and ganked, in terms of Supercarriers? Ill ask again:
You said it would cost 10 B for a supercarrier, plus 10-20B in plex to liscense it for hisec.
How much ISK do you think it costs the Gankers?
300 players, times 50 million which is the cost of a stealth bomber. That is 15 billion isk.
Then 300 players, times the monthly PLEX fee that every single one of those players must pay for. With 500 Plex costing around 1.6 billion, probably more, thats around 480 billion ISK.
To be fair, lets include the monthly PLEX cost of the super pilot.
So it takes 495 billion isk, to take down a target worth 32 billion isk.
You dont think thats excessive either?
Okay. So which one did you think was nerfed?
Im glad you said that, because youve just defeated your own argument.
One of the âMain benefitsâ that you wrote was, and i Quote:
It would be a benefit for Nullsec Players to get concord protection against unlawful aggression, too. And as you so helpfully pointed out, Hisec isnt devoid of politics or drama, either.
You agreed that there is a difference between Hisec and Nullsec. And yet you are being hypocritical and dishonest by saying things like:
While also saying stupid things like:
You are contradicting yourself.
In the end, you just want to buff Hisec. That is all you want, is for Hisec to be on par with nullsec, with none of the negatives and risks that come with Nullsec.
And that is why your argument fails.
Any introduction of unbalanced, unfair gameplay will create content. Still doesnt change the fact that its unbalanced. Any Dev can tell you that Content creation for the sake of content, while ignoring the balance of the game, is bad game design.
I guess you never heard of Burn Jita before? Where people do kill the most difficult to kill, of jita?
And no, you cannot gank supers with other capital ships with a reasonable amount of players and cost. And thats the point.
So youre admitting that most new players will not go out and buy 4000 dollars worth of plex?
And that, therefore, your idea does nothing but hurt the vast vast majority of new players?
Thank you for your honesty. Finally.
Youve already admitted that there should be differences and inequality of regions.
As you said before, and i Quote:
Nullsec does not have concord. This is different, and not equal, to hisec.
Hisec does not have the ability to build Supers. This is different, and not equal, to hisec.
You are either confused, stupid, or a hypocrite. Feel free to choose one.
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As a developer, when I have to read customer feedback on a forum, I ignore all the posts where people are going back and forth. I donât have time for that crap. I also ignore:
Posts based on false information
Posts that use â â â â â â â â generalizations
Posts that use fake design goals
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If youâre going to have CONCORD charge some sort of licensing fee for capitals in hisec, make it based on ISK or other non-PLEX in-game commodities (like the old starbase charters) but not PLEX. PLEX already have very narrowly defined purposes, they should be kept to those.
And, of course, fees would have to be exponentially larger the higher into hisec you go, preferably with limits on which ships can use this licensing structure (carriers and dreads only) and how far into hisec they can go (no higher than 0.7 or maybe 0.8.)
With those caveats it may work, but thatâs a lot of caveats, which means balancing it will likely be difficult. And of course, any kind of cost-based access system (be it ISK, PLEX, or other commodities) heavily favors large blocs and I suspect thatâs not an outcome that most people want to see.
(EDIT: clarity)