So, regarding the direct selling of SP, they mentioned that they thought that the player driven economy was a critical to Eve, and that all SP should come from players though training. So, technically, they never actually said that they would never sell SP directly to players. Of course, their statements got turned into an explicit promise through a community wide game of telephone.
Regardless, the fact remains that CCP themselves implied that selling directly to players would be a bad thing for the game -and then ended up doing it anyway. So did they realize that they were wrong, or did they abandon their principles for money?
I have recently watched an Asmongold video where he interviewed a whale who spends an astronomical amount of money in Lostark on a monthly basis and it is unsettling to imagine that this will most likely happen in Eve if CCP opens the doors for sub-capitals and capitals to be sold in the store.
But players controlled that market. We control the price of PLEX; we control the price of ships. Now, CCP is selling a ship for real life money; something we cannot do. And by doing so, they are influencing the market.
I don’t see a problem with a company trying to stay in business by selling items for the game.
I’ve been playing since 2011 and occasionally buy whatever I think is interesting to my game play and mood.
Why does it matter to you or the proud elite of core players who very likely don’t spend as much RL cash as players who visit the so called cash shop. I’ve spent around $ 800 RL on the game just in the last few months between my little four man fleet and think it’s money well spent for my enjoyment of the game. I’ve owned many businesses in RL and know the costs to maintain even a small crew.
Start your own software company, build a cool game (Which EVE still is), keep your employees happy so they don’t bail on you…
When you do that, post the link and I’ll try it out.
Free, player-controlled market was supposed to be one of the founding stones of EVE, not to mention, spawning ships from the ether in exchange for real world cash also runs counter to the idea of real, tangible losses, that have an impact on the game universe itself. When a typical ship is lost, someone mined that ore, someone else bought it and refined it, then putting it all together, and each module would share a similar story, still more complex with Tech 2 items. Perhaps there were battles fought for the moons that spawned the reaction mats and so even those battles would eventually affect the prizes.
When ships are just spawned from the ether in exchange for cash, nothing in this simulated universe matters anymore, we are just playing virtual games with out virtual toy ships, akin to world of warships in space…
And just like that, CCP has single-handedly destroyed any or much of the goodwill it may have gained by promising to implement a variety of features designed to win back trust, such as lossless compression, battleships buffs, blueprint adjustments and structure changes (still a work in progress). I can only suspect this is because one hand gives and one hand takes and the two hands are not aware of each other.
developers don’t care anymore cuz they haven’t responded to this thread at all once so I don’t think they’re going to do anything you want them to do
remember CCP is no longer technically in charge when they sold their company they’re basically puppets to the person that bought them I’m sure you guys forgot that already so even if they did care nobody wants to lose their job
The reddit post about this ad is fun to read. The biggest issue for me right now is that I don’t know who the CCP dev is that regurgitated these ads. It can’t be Rattati (I seriously hope so) but whoever is responsible for this in the marketing department (I seriously hope that it’s not an actual gameplay developer) never show their faces to the public. It’s clear why they are such big cowards, of course.
You really run a gamut of false equivalences and appeals to authority there. Impressive, but ultimately irrelevant.
The bottom line is that CCP has been called-out and asked to publicly explain its position to the people we appointed to keep them on the straight and narrow — for a very good reason I might add.
Each day that the ignorant silence lasts in response emphasises the severe lack of respect for the institution they created (out of necessity) and ultimately the player base that it constitutes.
At this point the disrespect is flagrant.
If it were me I would require them to be providing the private internal decision making documentation. Someone has not read and understood the original game design documents. There needs to be a common understanding of the common goal here, else fraud and the guts splatter where they may.
It’s highly likely that marketing is outsourced to an outside firm. Most gaming companies aside from the biggest AAA studios do it this way.
And the management does what they recommend because they want to get their money’s worth, and because failure can be blamed on an outside party that can be replaced, and no one has to be punished internally.
Oh damn! This is exactly how I feel about all this ■■■■■■■■. Yeah the monetization scheme we have now is really terrible but I’m like numb to this now. This perversion has been going on for years and the “line” has been crossed so many times, I’m not even sure there ever was a line.
There are more vile developmental decisions that have taken place that has completely molested the core gameplay experience than some stupid mining barge. While I’m angry at it too, I’m more angry that all these people weren’t angry with me at CCP a decade ago. Everyone mad now just doesn’t realize how much of a gem we had even back in 2012.
So I’m going to sit back and laugh while I do my best to terrorize people out of the game. You know, have my fun while I can.
Nah I stopped documenting my escapades. I do have a story-time worthy heist about pushing one of CCP’s whales to quit after scamming / destroying a combined value of around 45-50b but maybe I’ll save it.
Indeed, that other predatory advertisement was- is atrocious.
I mean, abusing the ‘magic moment’ where a player experiences ship loss for the first time in EVE in order to sell them PLEX? Predatory and disgusting.
If I were new to EVE and got that other advertisement in my first few days while I was looking whether the game is something for me, I would most likely feel cheated, appalled and stop playing the game.
It wouldn’t be the first time heavy ingame monetization puts me off playing an otherwise good game. LOTRO managed to do it to me, which could be a pretty good game in a nice setting, apart from breaking your ingame game flow again and again by having monetization everywhere ingame.
I don’t even mind paying for free to play or subscription based games, I do it a lot, as long as paying isn’t part of the daily game flow - which these >ingame< advertisements are.
While the timing of this new mining advertisement is less predatory than the advertisement that preys on the emotional weakness after losing a first ship, the fact that they put this in the game as part of the mining tutorial and sell ships they create out of thin air, bypassing the same player-based industry and economy that this ship is supposed to be used for?
