An Open Letter to CCP from Current and Former CSM Members on the "Prospector Pack"

Communications Center General Discussion
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Asking for an easy button doesn’t mean that it miraculously will actually achieve that. I’m not forcing you to reply so stop whining about somebody opposing your view.

…and what did I say about EVE being in the final stage(s) of a products life? So which is it: spend a ton of cash to innovate and try to get back to where the game was with 60k players or be realistic and just try to keep the lights on for as long as possible. As long as we’re being honest about the latter, that period could last a while more (which would be great).

My god you are a whiner…can’t face the argument so you just spout “bad faith” over and over again. Tip: don’t make it about the other person, try harder on the actual topic!

1242

Watched and very it’s very good. I agreed with almost everything or at least to a strong degree. I do think you invoked the slippery slope argument too many times but you did give reason why so that was good.

I would suggest, and could be wrong, that you are looking at EVE as a new game or one that is in its midlife…that may not be the correct way to look at it though. Does the montitization topic change for you if it’s a brand new game vs one that’s middle-aged vs a terminal one or is it the same for all?

Thanks for your time!

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I don’t think this will be the case, at least not yet. I don’t know if CCP is aware of it, but these packs do serve to catch new players up to old players in one key performance metric: Sunk Costs.

Old players are unwilling to quit even if only because they’ve invested so much of their time or money into developing what they have. For new players, you’re not going to be able to affect the time component except to wait, but you can get people to quickly invest their money and the first rule of acquisition clearly states: Once you have their money, never give it back. It’s gone.

The goal isn’t to make a fun game. At least not in so far as I am able to see. There are no grand designs, direction, goals or ideals being put forth that relate to the game and how they envision people having fun in it.

The goal is to make a game that people will tolerate once they’re invested. People will raise their voice and complain when things change, but they’ll continue to tolerate it. People come back to complain over and over again, but they keep coming back and that’s all that matters to the bottom line.

The real issue with the OP is that it offers you nothing you can do except whine and continue to pay your subscription. There is really no actionable alternative that has any consequence for CCP. People (understandably) do not want to undermine the game they’re invested in.

I don’t think that posts like this and expressed outrage are completely useless, but I don’t think they do much more than delay while CCP finds ways to make changes more subtle, or waits for the rage to wear off. As long as the metrics, or ‘data’, if you prefer, looks good, CCP will keep doing what it’s doing and do more of it because if a little is good, then more must be better.

I don’t want to go so far as to call people a hypocrite for not speaking up sooner, but I agree with Daichi to a degree. The game I played was compromised long before this, and I don’t expect this to be a trend that ever stops and I don’t want to sink cost into a thing that doesn’t have an expected future return. For most, though, I think they will continue to tolerate it as long as the change is gradual enough and CCP knows it.

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1244

…and as always, great wisdom. I put myself in that boat (for good or bad) for the simple reason there is nothing out there even close to EVE…

1245

We don’t pay their salaries.
Rather, we do, but indirectly.
Funding comes from other sources and we pay for those investments.

1246

Let’s review… you’ve used a red herring argument fallacy, you’ve used an anecdotal evidence argument fallacy, and you’ve used a strawman argument fallacy. I’m not the one who is actually having an issue with the topic. The person using argument fallacies is the person having problems in the topic.

Oh, and calling me a whiner… that adds ad hominem argument fallacy to the list too. You’re up to four. Seriously, you amuse me. You’re using argument fallacies and upset someone called you out on it.

1247

…and here we go again…thanks for proving the point.

1248

The point that you cannot argue in good faith? :yum:

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1249

Can confirm, check out the newbro Q and A.

But we can rest assured that this safe and effective integrity breach will only occur once and that inserting unwanted elements into the body politic will not eventually lead to consent of organ theft meanwhile the genetic blueprint of the game has been irrevocably altered.

1250

Likely so, although some who used to be happy about being able to pay the yearly fee might no longer be even considering it as an option, generally getting increasingly less invested. Where it ends, remains to be seen.

1251

Who were you again?

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1253

When did talking about a single specific issue = every issue.

Isn’t it perfectly possible that CCP listens to the CSM yet decided not to consult the CSM on this issue?

Or are you really that far past reason?

1255

Well that’s certainly up there with one of the stupidest things I’ve read. Congratulations

Please continue :popcorn:

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1256

You can’t be this dumb.

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1257

Signed

1239 post’s later, still no response from CCP, though they are all over the forums elsewhere unless I am mistaken? @ISD’s

Crosses finger’s for a “EvE Classic” re-release, fresh start for everyone without Skill Injector’s, Ship Pack’s, etc.

Anticipates availability to purchase “kill packs” involving either or:

1: Module with golden rounds. Press F1 to teleport round to enemy pilot’s location, kill instantly regardless of ship type.
2: Key’s triggering wave’s of AI which generate kill mail’s with a high ship value, and no loot.
3: Pay to remove enemy pilot’s skill’s or item’s, with the option to biomass them for a large fee.

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Can you please specify where the confirmation about the Ret Pack being one-time-only purchase offer is?

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# PROSPECTOR PACK

Shows it on Steam…prob same in the store. At the bottom near “System Requirements”

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Does it really matter that the package is a one-time-purchase?

We have learned from the ‘one-time-purchase’ SP package that CCP is willing to continually introduce new ‘one-time-purchase’ packages that include more SP.

Even if we can only buy one Retriever now (per account), if it follows the SP sales we will see ‘one-time-purchase’ packages for one cruiser, one battlecruiser, battleship, a set of three barges (different package, so you can get an additional Retriever if you also bought the first one), etc.

The only good amount of times players should be able to buy packages which include ships is 0.

Not 1, 0.

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I think the idea of selling ships is a bad idea and I’m a bit worried about a precedent, but I think I’ll tolerate it just this once since it’s a ship I think shouldn’t be as expensive as it is right now. If it was a coveter, I’d probably complain along with the rest of the people.

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[quote=“Brisc_Rubal, post:1221, topic:352742, full:true”]

  1. They think they know better.
  2. They think what they are doing is right.
  3. What they are doing is achieving the goals they set for it (this is an assumption on my part, because if this pack wasn’t selling, it would be an easy to win to kill it and reap the PR benefit).
  4. They expect we’ll move on to the next thing in a few weeks.

{/quote]

By the sounds of it, this is the first of many such one-time ship offers… you know how many ships are in the game… i tell you - a lot of one-time deals… and a lot of angry players…

Clearly they expect the player base to move on… But here i think they are making a mistake in their assumption… This has been building for a while, and will not de-escalate anytime soon… I hope they got the riot police ready for Fan Fest, because the players base are not going to back down anytime soon.

The Radio Silence is actually adding fuel to the fire and not tapping it down.

PS. The Eve Online Partners cancellations are certainly adding more fuel to the fire… it is a crazy idea to suppress free speech of your players and more so for content creators marketing the game. I know you probably got T&C, but really, get the riot police ready for Fan Fest.