But according to Brisc CCP has pulled that pack. 
Oh wait, is that another one? HahaâŚ
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Bummer. I want one. Guess Iâll create another account.
Is there anything that can even be done at this point or is Eve damned to remain Pay2Win forever now?
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I donât really give 2 isk about miners, Aiko, so long as theyâre not being given the Fozzie treatment and their ships being made completely and totally useless. I really donât care too much about gankers, either, excepting therein that todayâs crop of gankers are all attention ******, entitled narcissists who think theyâre due free, easy kills because Fozzie screwed industrial ships so hard.
Yâall do your thing and keep your petty threads of âGrr gankersâ and âGrr minersâ. I wonât ever advocate for ganking to be removed from Eve, nor will I approve of the current broken Concord that is so easily gamed.
My concern, and if you could be bothered to read a couple posts rather than having to keyboard clack for attention youâd have seen this, was and is for this being offered as part of the NPE. If a player has been in the game for a month or two and goes and buys a retriever and dies, I donât care. If a new player has been in the game for a week, completes the NPE, CCP scams them for 20 RL bucks, and then they go and die because CCP screwed them with a crap ship, crap fit, and crap âofferâ, thatâs a different matter entirely, and also a problem.
Now go ahead and make some snarky, taken entirely out of context, and overly dramatic reply so your groupies can like it and then you can go back to posting in Grrr miner threads.
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Grrr grr hathathathat
REeeeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEEeeee
In my experience, the amount someone cares is inversely proportional to how much they claim to not care.
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This, right here.
This really bothers me, and boarders on a real scam.
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You are, of course, entitled to be wrong, and I shall respect that right 
So there was this interview here:
TLDR:
âweâre gonna still sell ships to players for $$$ because coming up with a real tutorial that teaches them how to buy and fit their ship is too hardâ
âalso we hear your complains and weâre sorry you didnât like our pack, itâs still coming anyway when you calm down and forget about itâ
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This is the baffling thing. There was a REAL lesson to learned here, but I doubt if the company caught on even after all this.
I can even understand predatory monetization schemes, even if I donât always approve, but shooting yourself in the foot achieves nothing.
Consider the newly attracted whale $$.
Consider what mining is in this game.
Those two should NEVER go together.
Even if you make the sale, you lose in the short term. Even a discounted 3 month Omega purchase is a better money maker.
Itâs not just this one off.
Encouraging them to do abyssal arenas âthis time only with T1 frigates, for the newbies!â is another really, unfortunate example. Itâs like they donât get how the game is put together. They are pushing newcomers away.
The only lesson they will learn is not from the forums nor even from the CSM. All they will do is look at their sales to see if the profits are worth the cackling and howling and as so very often players rage a lot about silly/predatory monetisation but at the same time they also make use of it and spend a gazillion. So if this pack sold well they will continue doing it, if not they will try and figure out why it didnât and then adapt it.
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Gee whiz guys, this thread didnât age well. Itâs a real shame the community blew its collective load on this âopen letterâ for something as trivial as an overpriced starter-tier ship in a temporary store pack. Now CCP had âno choiceâ but to jack up the prices because their revenues be hurtinâ.
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Uh, no.
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Oh, they had a choice. Donât give them that courtesy. Theyâre the ones driving players away. Theyâre the ones creating this climate in which people arenât wanting to play this game. This is their fault again and again. Between Trig swiss-cheesing high sec, to scarcity, to selling ships for dollars, to now this price hikeâthey had a choice every step of the way.
A leadership change might help, but at this point Iâm just at loss to what theyâre thinking. Itâs almost as if theyâre pissing in their watering hole hoping itâll add volume, but it doesnât work like that.
To bring in MORE revenue they should have dropped prices by 15% instead.
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I donât know man. Incarna was a long time ago so I canât say I remember all of it with perfect clarity, but this feels even worse already.
They were pushing players away long before trigs and scarcity.
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Its sad that things like this even happen anymore, i thought they would learn at least a little from their past mistakes
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Calm down miner.
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Incarna was smack in the middle of my first bout of Eve, and shortly after I took a decade hiatus, so for my Eve experience itâs relatively fresh having missed those 10 years of other controversies.
Your âThisâ in âthis feels even worse alreadyâ is a bit ambiguousâŚ
âThisâ being âprospector pack is paying for fitted shipsâ, yeah it sucks but not comparable to the outrage during the Incarna period.
âThisâ being âraising Omega pricesâ, definitely sucks but for different reasons. You have to remember the outrage during Incarna was a mix of things:
- Seeking money from microtransactions (monacle debacle)
- Asking 3rd party devs to pay for API access (goodbye PYFA, remember at this time the fitting window didnât have the right sidebar, you had to âshow infoâ every time you made a fitting change.)
- Spending all that raised money not-on-EVE (EVE-O, their new âfacebook-likeâ social media platform; World of Darkness development; Dust514)
- All that not-Eve development meant CCP was ignoring community feedback about basic feedback like Tiericide (remember when there was only one good racial frigate per race because of meta levels?) and nullsecâs Drake-blobs-of-lag
Raising Omega sub sucks (it definitely prices people out as Eve is a pretty international game) but it lacks the 3 or 4 other concurrent bad-goings-on that led to the Summer of Rage (most additional gripes I see here are about past changes, and complaining about the past isnât new: it is always constant). And it also has the CCP hallmark of poor comms.
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Then youâre clearly not paying attention, if you think there arenât half a dozen other concurrent bad things going on. Thanks for your input though. Iâll file it in the round receptacle where it goes.
Let me be clear: you brought up the âIncarna was a long time agoâ, and I was attempting to connect to you and build a bridge by listing my opinion of the old âbad-goings-onâ. That is my list of 3 different ways CCP was modifying monetization around its IPs and how the contemporary communications gave no indication that Eve itself was to benefit from it â walking-in-stations being the notable exception â during the Summer of Rage.
Today, thereâs the âprospector packâ fiasco and Omega sub price increase. Today, there is no indication that CCP is going to deploy any increased capital to anything else except Eve.
You can still be mad about this stuff. Iâm not here to police your feelings, opinions, nor any activism you feel compelled to do. I just wanted to be clear that there are fundamental differences between now and â by your own admission â your fuzzy rememberance of what was going on during Incarna. You didnât bother to hear how I feel about the current situation â despite making clear how you feel â but judging by your reaction, you donât care since you hastily decided shooting the messenger carrying messages that donât suit you was a positive direction to take the conversation. That reflects more on you, than me.
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