Ancient Aliens

I saw a show where they discussed UFO sightings and explained most of them, and thuroughly debunked many a grainy photo. One of the explanations where actually similar to your plane diagram. :slight_smile:

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I doubt this will make the conspiracy theorists change, but itā€™s fun non the less :smiley:

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There is always some food for thought tho. And its good that way. Its good that we dont know everything in UFO subject, its more interesting that way. Mystery causes curiosity. Curiosity causes advance of science. Pseudo-science was fuelling the science fire too.

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Ofcorse that is what humanity thrives on, besides air,water and food. It what drives us forward, to kinda quote Picard. To see whats beyond the horizon or the next bend in the roadā€¦

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This photograph is one of many depicting one of the most publicized UFO events in history. First observed in a hexagram pattern at about 7:30 p.m. over the Superstition Mountains area east of Phoenix (1997), the characteristic 8+1 formation of amber orbs was next seen in two separate arc patterns with ā€œtrailing lightsā€ over the Gila River area at about 9:50 and again at 10:00 at the southern edge of Phoenix. Thousands reported seeing these objects and a handful videotaped them on camcorders. Official government explanation was flares from military aircraft, which makes sense - except they are all on the same level (in other words, the first flare dropped would lower in altitude from the last) and witnesses reported no aircraft noise at all. The shape of the lights certainly reminds me of a B2 stealth bomber . . . but they are not silent by any means.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2quZjuqevWw (link to B2 fly by video)

Why are pictures of UFOā€™s or any crypto creature always so grainy?, i have yet to see a clear photo or film of either. Or are they emitting some sort of jamming signal? , this is an aluminum foil momentā€¦

UFOs would not be UFOs if the film woud not be grainy of taken at night. Probably at night something like that is more visible also. It could happen at day, but if I would be alien, I would keep lights off, so nobody will see me. Collisions would not be a problem as aliens should have sensors more advanced than ours and could change direction very quickly as people describe these objects.

Aliens have really no need for navigational lights, so if it is aliens flying around in formation with lights on itā€™s just to have fun with humansā€¦

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So aliens land on earth and we ask them ā€œwhere have you been?, we have searched for ages for other intelligent lifeā€.
The aliens laugh at the intelligent bit and tries to collect themselfs, finally after much effort one alien replies still giggeling. ā€œWe have sent you a bunch of signals, but you just turned it into musicā€ā€¦

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True . . . it would be like our B2 Stealth Bombers flying into action with their nav lights-a-blazinā€™ . . . why would Aliens need lights if not in an attempt to attract attention.

To be fair, these pics were taken 20 years ago, at night. Most are stills taken from video cams, making them even worse. The Phoenix event, whatever it was, was actually seen in other states a varying times on the same day. The light ā€˜patternā€™ was very large - several football fields - and was reported and photoā€™d by numerous witnesses. If nothing else, certainly interesting and caused quite a fuss.

People see lights and itā€™s aliens, but few really questions the event. And then when people that can explain comes up with credible suggestions, they are conspiring to hide the truthā€¦

So, whatā€™s beyond the horizon today? Well, scientists have ā€˜discoveredā€™ a monster-sized planet. Hmph, whodathunkit? And here I thought those scientists had it all nailed down . . .

"Astronomers have discovered a planet the size of Jupiter orbiting a star thatā€™s only half the size of the sun ā€” a celestial phenomenon that contradicts theories of planet formation. NGTS-1b, a massive, 986-degrees-hot ball of gas revolving around a red M-dwarf star 600 light years from Earth, is the largest planet compared to the size of its star ever found.

As red M-dwarf stars are the most common type in the universe, scientists now believe there may be many more planets like this.

"The discovery of NGTS-1b was a complete surprise to us. Such massive planets were not thought to exist around such small stars,ā€ said the lead author of the research, Dr. Daniel Bayliss of the University of Warwickā€™s Astronomy and Astrophysics Group. ā€œThis is the first exoplanet we have found with our new NGTS facility, and we are already challenging the received wisdom of how planets form.ā€

ā€œNGTS-1b was difficult to find, despite being a monster of a planet, because its parent star is small and faint,ā€ said Warwick Professor Peter Wheatley. ā€œSmall stars are actually the most common in the universe, so it is possible that there are many of these giant planets waiting to found."

Many more? Good grief . . ā€¦ what else might we have missed? :wink:

You get these surprises in astrophysics sometimes. I wonder what people thought when they first observed the binary system with one star orbiting another in so close proximity, that they exchange mass. That must have been something also. Sensational even. :thinking:

Do they share mass, or actually exchange it, like, tidally based on which of the two stars is in closer proximity to a third far-off star? Do you know what Iā€™m talking about? Hourglass rotating in gravity.

These starts are known as contact binaries. They are so close to each other that their atmospheres exchange mass with each other or atmosphere of one falls onto the surface of the other one.

TheGreat Gazoo we have missed a bunch of stuff, Iā€™d say we would have been further along hadnā€™t science been suppressed by the church. But we live in exciting times from a science perspectiveā€¦ :slight_smile:

Itā€™s actually quite likely that we missed A LOT of stuff.

Thereā€™s an article out there (canā€™t be bothered to google it now) that says that, based on the shape of skulls etc, humans did not experience a decrease or increase in the size of their brain, going backwards tens of thousands of years. The conclusion was that (average) intelligence did not change over the millenia.

We only have recorded history and artifacts going back some millenia.

And, even stone monuments / artifacts decay within a few thousand years.

So, the conclusion was not ancient aliens, but there IS the possibility that a human civilization with modern understanding of science and engineering could have existed tens of thousands of years ago, with no signs of it preserved.

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The size of brain doesnt corelate with what you could say is a technological achievement. Elephants for example can use tools, also crows can do that, as monkeys, they can grasp things with their trunk, beak or hands but never build civilization like ours. Its like specialization is somewhere else and is tied to the kind of tools. It is a need for generational change of technology together with brain evolution. As technology changes and people use for example fire, those who use it can have higher chance of survival. So its evolutional change. Anyway, complex tools need major breakthrus in science. We could say that if its simple tool and method of using it is not documented or tool doesnt survive to our times, then it will be forgotten when people who use it will die out. And its what happened with some methods of building and organization of workforce. Now people can only try to reconstruct some of those ideas and methods and beliefs. And sometimes it will all forever be hidden because there is no trace left.