Wow, so you are totally off. You interpret me as saying the “bad mechanic” to counter local is “cloaking”. That shows where your mindset is.
No…you and your ilk are saying the bad mechanic is AFK cloaking. The other bad mechanic is local. The only current counter to the overpowered local not allowing actual stealth is “AFK cloak” so that you can cause uncertainty as to whether you are active or not.
Already having local is terrible. The second you appear in local, the whole system docks up as they can see you there before you even load into the system. So, because of local, the hunter has to sit there and wait… wasting their time, to counter local by psychology.
So, just as “AFK cloaking” wastes krab time as they either have to move or stay docked up and cry, Local wastes hunter time so they have to AFK cloak or move on.
Letting the hunted have local, plus always knowing for sure if you are active or not, along with all the ways they can hide in stations, citadels, etc, means that it will be much harder to catch targets using stealth alone.
Riiiight… if it is not already in the works, then it isn’t happening for YEARS at least. And from your wording “likely we can persuade” it is clear that they are not doing anything with local, meaning they are making a one-sided change to straight up nerf stealth and PVP. Also if they don’t do both changes at the same time what will happen? Whiners just like blackout (As the krabs will be used to their comfy tools and unlimited safety even more) and then it will be rolled back just as blackout was.
But it’s only “most effective” when you consider one narrow and irrelevant goal: avoiding losses entirely. In the real world “most effective” would be a strategy that maximizes net income, since net income is the goal of doing PvE. And net income maximization requires reducing losses, but a strategy that requires logging off and generating no income is not a viable one. So the only people using it are anti-PvP cowards who don’t deserve to play in nullsec.
Then don’t post stupid ■■■■ that demonstrates that you don’t understand how local works and how AFK cloaking is required as a counter to it.
(Or maybe you do understand? Maybe you know exactly how local works, and are dishonestly attempting to put a positive spin on a major farming buff?)
At the same time, I also campaigned for changes to AFK cloaky camping. If we get the cloaky camping thing done, I think it’s more likely we can persuade them to provide a tool to adjust local than if they do nothing at all.
“Let’s wreck the existing balance and give a major buff to farming, but it’s ok because someday maybe we can try to convince CCP to do the other half of the change.”
Or, instead of implementing half a solution now and hoping that maybe someday we can have a functioning stealth system again you can do your job as a CSM representative and attempt to keep CCP from making really ****ing stupid changes.
Hunters are irrelevant to CCP instead of krabs, and Brisc is their advocate, disguising as anti-krab like he was a politician (talking the one thing in a bad way to get the other).
All we know is that this anti-cloaking update will deal with afk hunters and those are indeed irrelevant. I just hope that active cloaky hunters aren’t impacted much by it and that CCP will follow with changes to make local chat less powerful as intel tool.
Obviously not since they are definitely serving their purpose of helping counter local. And judging from the complaining by krabs, it is working. Nothing but 100% safety is good enough for the krab. “100% effectiveness” according to Brisc, their champion. Anything less must be nerfed apparently. Unfortunately CCP is caving to the krabs rather than coming up with a real solution.
You could serve the same purpose when you actively put in effort in cloaky camping. There is no reason why afk people should have the same effect on active players as active cloaky campers.
I’m glad something is done about this, as afk ‘gameplay’ shoudn’t have a place in EVE.
No, because as we have explained to you over and over and over and over again being unable to leave your name in local while AFK makes local a 100% accurate and immediate notification that you are a threat. No amount of “effort” can overcome the fact that every smart PvE player will be docked while you are in their system.
To be fair, he lost his one attempt at running for (real) elected office. He’s something much worse: a paid lobbyist who will do whatever lying and bribery is required to get the votes his owners want. That’s why I think he knows perfectly well that this is a farming buff and that changes to local are necessary but is willing to say whatever it takes to persuade people to accept the buff.
Which is why you leave your cloaky camper in the system for a couple of hours. Not afk of course, you’ll have to put in some effort just like the people in that system need to put in effort to avoid you.
Yeah, it’s totally reasonable to require people to waste a couple of hours of their precious few hours of playing time sitting idle in space (doing just enough to not be AFK) to even have a chance of catching a target. And of course the target can still remain 100% immune to attack by docking up, going AFK for a couple hours until you have to leave, and then resuming their farming once you’re gone.
There is no reason why someone should be able to do nothing and have 100% perfect intel of who is in system, especially ships that are supposed to be “stealth”.
If they said “cloakies will not appear in local unless they are AFK for X hours” then that might be fine, but instead they appear in local no matter what AND the krabs are getting even more tools.
We’ve already been down this road. You guys wanted no local. You got no local for two months. No local resulted in a massive drop in player activity and caused CCP to have it’s worst quarter in years.
They are not going to just get rid of local again, period. That experiment proved that they can’t remove something like local and expect players to just adapt. What they did was quit playing. So if we are going to get anything, it’s going to have to be something limited. I’ve suggested a module or a ship that allows you to not show up on local instantly, and I know others have suggested other changes.
At the same time, they’re working on this new tool to combat the AFK aspect of cloaky camping, because that’s the one aspect that is the least defensible. I think what they’ve come up with so far is pretty good and not overly powerful for either side.
Don’t make assumptions.
This is a game. The krabs view the most effective tactic as the one that doesn’t cost them anything. They don’t want losses at all, and there’s an obvious psychological thing going on there as well, but again - your idea of the most effective tactic is not their idea, and since it’s their behavior we’re talking about you need to think like a krab.
You’re insulting my intelligence, and now you’re questioning my integrity. I’m done here.
You have no idea what you’re talking about. I’ve run twice, I lobby for a labor union, I don’t lie or bribe anybody, and this isn’t a buff to farming, and I’ve been campaigning on changing local FOR YEARS NOW - it’s literally the #2 thing on my campaign website. Brisc’s List – Brisc Rubal for CSM 17
I do not understand why you have to make things up and try to smear me with my real life job when I’m literally advocating for what you want.
Be a better person and stop with the personal attacks.
Your right maybe all the PVPers should hold the line stop adapting and quit playing then =), Speak with our dollars. Works for krabs might work for the rest of us?
Your own words and attempted spin are all that are needed to call your integrity into question.
So making local (already OP intel) even more OP by giving them even more intel while not taking anything away is not overly powerful for either side. Keep up the spin… Keep up that “integrity”…
It is. I am just worried they will introduce some shitty station module with pulse to decloak ships. Last thing I want these anti cloaking changes affecting wormholes.