Remember, you canât reason with people who act like this:
If ever there was a âvictimâ, itâs that⌠thing. Itâs the modern disease.
Okay, let me be real. It is propaganda meant to draw attention and further my agenda. Naturally, I think that players are far more diverse than the false dichotomy that this meme would seem to suggest. However, the simple fact of the matter is that simple(er) memes tend to have a lot more reach than massive walls of text. So yeah, I did strip out nuance because I was trying to use smart mass communication strats in order to maximize my reach and persuasiveness.
And, letâs continue to be real here - this isnât exactly an unfair representation of the bitter vet. Of course, very few players will neatly fit into either of those categories. However, that does mean that there are no observable patterns of behavior, or that my archetypal examples lack any sort of descriptive power.
Oh, and none of this changes the fact that Kerzai and others either intentionally, or unintentionally misrepresent my arguments, and then attack those misrepresentations.
No you were pretty much spot on. No need to try and âsoften the blowâ to âavoid confrontation or hurt feelingsâ.
Thereâs two ways of dealing with change and adversity:
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Crying over it and raging about how terrible it all is
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discussing it with the intent to add to it all, while adapting and looking for opportunities
âthis game sucksâ, âunbsubbed!â, âdonât pay for this garbageâ and other stuff that goes on in carebear rage threads like the one on the mining reform. Not helpful, not mature, manchildren (m/f).
So yeah, CCP can actually make mistakes, and they can actually make changes that suck the fun out of the game. Those are real issues that need to be addressed.
However, I look at change from a very different perspective. Personally, my favorite part of a PvE activity is âsolving itâ. I love figuring out optimal strats -itâs like a puzzle. So, the above quote is a weird perspective to me. Iâm not saying that itâs wrong, or that youâre wrong for having it, but I just donât look at things in that way. Personally, changes excite me. Not only do I enjoy figuring things out, but I often find that I benefit greatly from my efforts.
Anyway, I do understand that some players like stability and predictability, that some players just straight up like certain things the way that they are, and that it is a lot harder for newbros and casuals to chase new strats and opportunities because of a lack of isk, SP, player knowledge, and/or time. So, I am not unsympathetic to the concerns of such individuals. However, that still doesnât mean that there arenât a ton of players that like change, or that their desires, values, and concerns are any less valid.
At the end of the day, players do have competing values and priorities. And itâs up to CCP to try to balance all of them. Unfortunately, however, there are a lot of players out there who do not seem to consider or value the play styles, priorities, and values of other players, and who assert that any time CCP doesnât cater to their particular desires, that CCP is âruiningâ an activity or the game.
Iâm sure many people will take issue with this meme, but damn if it doesnât encapsulate how I frequently feel.
Yes, but you see, the difference is, I can actually quote you doing what I said, and link your posts.
You can only make up another imaginary caricature from whole cloth.
Youâre trying to paint pretty much everyone with a complaint about CCP/EVE as a 'bitter vet", even though the vast majority of your examples have nothing to do with vets or bitterness or long-term frustration with multiple bad decisions by CCP.
Your cartoonish OP is simply portraying as black-and-white every kind of complainer, whiner, rage-quitter, and noob who didnât research what EVE was actually about as a âbitter vetâ, and contrasting it against some sort of paragon of virtue which frankly, Iâve never met in a decade and a half of EVEing.
Iâm sorry, but youâve basically drawn your own strawman argument right in your OP, and then started crying about it as soon as someone challenges it with a rational response.
Get off the high horse, Shipwreck. Other peopleâs opinions about the game are as valid as yours, and it certainly doesnât help âcommunity spiritâ to start tar-and-feathering everyone who has a valid criticism with your ad-hominem witchhunt.
Yeah, I have personally criticized CCP (my last video was titled 25 minutes of me complaining about monetization), I think players have many valid complaints, and I have expressed support for their complaints through supportive comments and likes.
I donât have a problem with people who have complaints, or with people who provide constructive criticism. I do, however, have a problem with space karens, and will continue to call them out for their bad behavior.
Also, you do realize that itâs not a witchhunt when you openly admit to trying to sabotage others and the game, right?
I do not think that this strat is good for our community, or our game. And I will do what I can to fight it.
I agree with everything you said up until the âbutâ.
- I disagree with the assertion that CCP is that awful, or that this game is that bad (I look at it like a flawed gem)
- I disagree with the idea that sabotaging new player acquisition and retention is good for new players or the game as a whole
- and I maintain that at least some of the people who are âwarning newbrosâ arenât actually trying to help newbros. For example, some of these guys are just vindictive assholes who are trying to punish CCP by sabotaging the game.
And then you got things like âsour grape foxesâ, or people who incorrectly assume that just because they donât like Eve, that means that other players wonât like it either.
Now, I have to stress that I do not think that everyone fits into one of these categories. And, Iâm willing to bet that at least some people think that they are either helping newbros by âwarning themâ, or helping the game by hurting CCPâs bottom line. However, I still disagree with the assetions that CCP is awful, that newbros need to be warned, and that this is good for the game.
Unfortunately there are developers of the game that do not consider or value the play styles, priorities and players when they make changes. See first iteration Prospect changes, the Procurer changes, gas flooding, actually threatening null after the HAW and capital changes, and so on. You remember all these things, right?
And funny thing with the last picture: Towards the end of Blackout, even hunters started to complain about lack of targets and bots reporting them so that their farmer bots could disappear.
-Rose-tinted irreclaimables.
Hangon there. Youâre telling some 80+% of players they should uninstall?
Bittervets make up around 40% of online numbers, another 40% fit into your âwhinebearâ category.
Keep in mind only a very small % of players ever use these forums but;
Over 2000 responses more critical than supportive.
Damnit, Part 2 - over 2,200 responses and still climbing. Some a bit more positive but still a lot of WTF are you doing CCP.
By all means though, if your suggstion gains traction - Iâm in. No fun playing Eve if the few left are all âNiceâ.
On that, what would you do? Youâre certainly not âniceâ (when it comes to play style) and would I imagine have led many to the point of âbittervetâ and or âwhinebearâ. I wonder if you should take some responsibility for the attitudes of those you believe should uninstall.
Iâve been tested.
They couldnât âcertifyâ me but I still play Eve, sooooâŚ
OP posts a thread complaining about Vets who complainâŚ
Iâm sure the PCU will decide whoâs bitter and whoâs better. Looks like bitterâs winning from where iâm looking. Or maybe CCP is just messing up the whole space station and bitterâs are getting the better deal by switching off after training skills for years to be dumped on.
Yes, of course.
Iâm sorry but you are aware those changes would not have been needed had CCP not screwed up by turning Rorquals into mega mining machines and allowed them to be multiboxed to the point they broke the game.
Oh to be so innocent or is it naive?
How do you think everyone mined before Rorquals got so broken?
We used Hulks and A Rorqual.
All those Rorqual alts will be flying Hulks, so insteasd of 50 Rorquals being controlled by one guy it will be 49 Hulks and 1 Rorqual.
The âsmaller friesâ are still screwed.
That really is a bit sad. My ideal would be for the game to get better, hence giving those you want to see leave reason to play.
I wonder if we could turn back time a few years would CCP actually listen to the masses who said âthese changes will be bad for the long term health of the gameâ.
I imagine there would be far less âbitter vetsâ and âwhinybearsâ if they had.
I got the impression that CCP was warned about the consequences but decided that they knew better.
No reason to play thousands have already left, the game will failscade very soon. Not what I want but after years of training, the company, CCP is not listening. Sure the quarterly statement will shake things up, microtransactions wonât save the day.
Itâs not witch hunt. The only problem is that CCP showed a care about peopleâs opinion ONCE : it was when they stopped BO.
And now your pathtetic lots are lobbying in Eve to get exactly what your headmaster ordered you to lobby for.
I tell you : CCP should ban every body that
- insult CCP rattati without a solid argument
- request a strike without a solid argument
Because repeating ârattati is badâ IS ad hominem.
So yes, I completely agree with @Shipwreck_Jones that you are a toxic bunch of cunts, without any opinion, any constructive criticism. Just a vocal minority, who does not care about the game, about the newbro, but claim they do in order to advance an hidden agenda.
You have no opinion. You donât even care about having an opinion. All you care about, is having an echo chamber.
âI tell you : CCP should ban every body thatâ
Would there be anyone left to play the game?