Bittervets vs carebears: Wardec rebalance edition

Nope
I can gank to harass
I can dec to harass
I can mine to harass
I can ninja-loot to harass
I can salvage to harass

No difference in any of these activities, you can all do them to harass :joy:

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You forgot bumping, that’s my favourite.

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I’ve never been good at it sadly :confused:
But you’re right

just because you can gank people, does not mean you can harass them the same way you do with a wardec. This is only the case for newbro.

war decs are not harrassment.

Consider yourself corrected.

You fly under a flag, you take the risks that go with it.
Stay NPC or swim in the deep end and risk dealing with sharks.

Screw the children, they’ve been saved enough for the last fifteen years. If they can’t deal with it by now they deserve to be food for bigger fishes.

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That’s your opinion.
I just use corp for corp sharing storage , BM, people and I dont care about structures. There is no such a flag that I care about.

indeed they are not.
They can be used for this, and they are more efficient in terms of isk and logistic required than to gank people.

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See that’s your opinion…

This is a fact

Learn the difference

Believe me, I can harass tenfold just by ganking versus a war.
Wars limit you to how and when you can kill, ganking doesn’t. That makes them the perfect way of perma-harassing plebs

I wonder if harassing people (wait, sorry. ā€œPlebsā€.) in a video game ever has any negative effects on that game.

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… and bittervets for theirs. ā€œwe need half an hour to take down a 5 bil structure using 5 x 100mil ships, we want to take it down in 5 minutesā€. Or ā€œ4 bil fauxes are too hard to destroy with 100 mil isk fleets , make it so they cant touch usā€. Sounds familiar ? those are both the cries of the moment here and can be found here on the forums.

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nope. The OPINION is that joining a corporation should allow you to be wardecced, as it is expressed in the general statement ā€œyou do that, this happensā€. The FACT is that now CCP allows people who want a corporation as a way to play together to be wardecced - but nobody is discussing the fact, only the reason why this rule is present. Learn the difference.

Only bittervets think that because it is the way it is now, this is a good thing.

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I wonder if you do things that aren’t Think of the Children :thinking:

@Anderson_Geten you still don’t understand :smiley:
Come back when you have a clue :joy:

Yeah, but it isn’t ā€œthink of the childrenā€ with me.

Or you.

For you, it’s ā€œthink of the plebsā€.

No, for me it’s ā€œeveryone is an equal targetā€ :wink:

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Yes.it was this way for 15 years…but things change…

No carebears here just the voice of reason in a game that has already confessed its problems and already started to change its course to mainstream…

Some here are not willing to see it and blindfolding themselves but the course is set and ragequitters will not stop it from turning …

But they don’t fly them, because ā€œmah yieldā€. 4 of the 6 barges and exhumers trade their tank for yield, and people tend to use them for that very reason; then moan when they explode.

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Despite all the technological advances made by the brilliant minds of New Eden, the ability to simultaneously have your cake whilst eating it appears to have evaded even the most accomplished of scientists.

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Can you please show me where you got this information? Link if you please. Genuinely interested.

What an odd thing to write.

I always thought that the bittervets were the carebears of EVE. Look at the Delve NPC bounties, for example.

Common sense after f.e. the wardec nerf?

The way other games handle ā€œthe PVP problem(PVP only possible in special zones inside the gameā€?

The sell of CCP to PA which is a strictly profit oriented company that will IN NO WAY let the game as it is and will in opposite to that try to make as many money as possible with eve via converting it to a mainstream game?

Just three of many more answers you can now think about…more to come if you insist…

And BTW don’t come with ā€œargumentsā€ like ā€œthey never stated anything like thisā€ …
OF COURSE they don’t state it…scaring of the 15 year spoiled PVP guys too early would interfere with the time table they made…FIRST calm down the current comnunity with statements like ā€œnothing will changeā€ā€¦THEN change SLOWLY but steady to more mainstream and then with a bang the last mainstream hammer that let the old comnunity ragequit and attract even more new 11 year old with daddys credit card in hand so that the ragequitters do not matter…

Looking behind the curtain revals such things…the sad part is everybody would be able to see it,but some prefer to blindfold themselves with the ā€œEVE is and will stay a PVP gameā€ mantra…

But the train is coming and the light at the end of the tunnel will hurt…

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indeed, but it’s ganking and not harasment.

If they are … not able to adapt, we can’t blame the game.