Bring Back Ganking

Maybe there’s a bunch of faulty monitors out there that don’t display the ‘R’ of RISK.

1 Like

Opinions seem to differ a lot on the topic.

I suggest to create a mandatory public survey on login (every omega needs to vote before he can access his characters) over a timeframe of like 30 days:

buff ganking
nerf ganking
everything is fine as it is
I don’t care

Then go for what the majority wants.

[oil → fire] :slight_smile:

You have to learn how to sift through the serious and joke posts. Ingame Mining Permits is a very good indicator that this is a joke post because OP must be having a laugh

The correct answer is A.

Pick anything else and you WILL be ganked.

But how would you tell? Any serious survey is of course anonymiously, so people can vote freely without the fear of being pressured into certain pickings by other people who would like to influence the outcome.

When’s the last time there was a ‘survey’ of chess, or poker, or tennis, or cricket…and a bunch of wannabe intellectuals got to change the game ? Generally, if people don’t like the way a game is, they have the option of playing something else. That is the survey.

That’s my secret power.

1 Like

That is a very ineffiecient and economically dangerous way to gain information about the desires of your paying customers. Those you have lost to other products and companies are most unlikely to come back ever. Preventing people from leaving by meeting their expectations of the product and making changes that many people like and/or removing things that many people dislike is a way better method of making your product interesting for more people and increasing your profits, ensuring the future of your company and product.

1 Like

I guess that, at the end of the day, if you go look at the high sec killboards and how many ventures are on it, ganking doesnt need to be brought back. It never left.

And the original ganking pasttime – those of Hulks and Hulkaggeddon – how are those ganked tag numbers going?

If we’re going to use data, might as well use longitudinal data. Too bad Scipio is missing, he was a numbers guy.

That is just nonsense. You create a product and you sell it…and if people like it they like it and if they don’t they don’t. You don’t spend every frikin 5 minutes making fundamental changes to suit every passing whim. That is the sure way to cheese off customers.

You will find that every single game on Steam…even the ones with ‘Very Positive’ overall reviews, has negative comments and people who don’t like the game. No game has ever been made that every single person liked.

CCP should not be wasting time or making changes to suit every disgruntled person for whom Eve is probably not the right game in the first place.

You couldn’t be further from the truth. Active product quality development based on customer feedback and surveys among the target customer groups are the standard in most serious businesses these days. All with the main goal of maximizing sales/profits, either by making the product sell more often or returning more cash per customer. Especially in the software industry. And it has been that way for decades.

Nobody asked for “fundamental changes” and especially not “to suit every passing whim”.

Again, nobody asked for that. A survey that could collect data about the opinion of a majority of all paying customers is exactly the opposite of what you claim.

No…this is still nonsense. You are talking about bug fixes, display quality updates ( like with Skyrim ), and so on. Not fundamental changes to how a game works.

And clearly I must have missed the emails from Bethesda asking me what I’d like in Elder Scrolls VI or Starfield and telling me there’s to be a vote about it among all the customers.

Yes they are. Something like ganking has always existed in the game. Removing it, or altering it in any significant way, is a fundamental change.

Would find that the majority of paying customers can’t be bothered with surveys and just want to play the game. It is only the few disgruntled who seem to think they form some ‘majority’ that needs a survey. The reality is they are just a small but vocal minority.

Nobody is asking for this. You fight a strawman.

They ways how companies get feedback from existing or possible customers are not limited to surveys. That you specifically didn’t get a mail from a specific company means nothing. You can rest assured when ES VI comes out, Bethesda has worked in multiple aspects of customer feedback from their last/other games. And they will keep doing it during the many patches to come, be it QoL or balance, based on the feedback they collect via various channels.

Who are “they”? I am not “they”. And what CCP asks in any survey would be up to them. Also what changes they would consider reasonable for their product.

Nobody asked to remove it so far. At least I have not. And what is “significant” is debatable, I remember people crying bloody murder after the latest changes to ganking (no tether, no docking in ships) were leaked in advance, as if it would be the end to ganking. In the end, nothing really happened. Gankers have adapted, all the doom mongering was hot air.

They could simply click “close” or chose “I don’t care”, its 1 click on login.

Again you are wrong. The suggestion did not come from some disgruntled miner who lost his 10th hulk while afk-mining Veldspar or constantly asks for ganking nerfs. I am interested in collecting data to get a precise picture and if you would believe what you are saying about that “vocal minority”, you would not need to have any problems with such a survey, because it would surely prove your point, right?

You keep creating one. Some straw man need for a ‘survey’. Wouldn’t happen to be one in which you believe ‘the majority’ will vote for what you want…would it ?

I never said such a survey is “needed”. I suggested it to gather data on the players opinion about the matter. Because I believe that action based on knowledge is wiser than fishing in the mist. And wise decisions can strengthen the game I love and make sure the servers keep running and the player numbers keep growing.

What I want is completely irrelevant, since I have no option to influence the outcome of such a survey anyway. Neither by deciding about the questions asked nor about the actions that might or might not be taken as a result. I am interested in data, if only as a base for a good discussion. You on the other hand seem to be pretty afraid of the results of such a survey. How can that be, if “just a small but vocal minority” wants significant changes to ganking?

Why not go into Low Sec and gank all of those Ventures Aiko?

Opinions on what matter ? See, there you go again creating a ‘matter’ or an issue then denying you are doing so. If there is no ‘need’ for this survey…why even suggest one ? You speak with forked tongue. Didn’t we go through the exact same thing with Lucas a year ago ?

I always smell ulterior motives whenever anyone starts demanding ‘surveys’ and starts talking about what ‘the majority’ want. It invariably comes from people who pretend they don’t have any real issues or motives…or maybe just a few only…but are simply caring about what ‘the majority’ want. Oh, and that ‘majority’ are always a particularly whiny and griping bunch who carry the true motives…eh.

Of course, the clear translation is that ‘the majority’ are simply a shield being hid behind so the person doesn’t have to state their true motives. Just pretend to care soooo much about CCP’s profit margin and customer retention. Yeah, let’s have a ‘survey’ where everyone can gripe…because you dont want to be seen to.

Wouldn’t it be simpler if you just stated what you think…rather than raising a rabble of imaginary survey people ?

Without the ‘survey’ taking place, how can the OP come to a correct solution or end result?

He wouldn’t be asking for a survey unless he’d already decided what he wanted the end result to be. Really, the whole thing is just a thinly veiled ‘the majority supports me’ type of appeal to numbers, an attempt to drum up invisible support. It’s identical to what Lucas used to do.