I didn’t create the topic. Aiko Danuja did and she argued for changes (pro-ganking obviously). Then others came in, arguing the opposite. So I didn’t create any matter at all, I just suggested a way to gather data about the topic and use this data to make an educated decision.
For the same reason I can suggest to check the fridge before hitting the supermarket. It is absolutely not needed, but it surely helps.
Oookay. Basing your judgement on things you “can smell” is… weird. Sounds like you make up things in your mind and then act like it is a fact somehow. Also I wasn’t the one who claims to know what the majority wants, it is you who acts like he already knows that those speaking against ganking are “just a small but vocal minority” - but it looks like you somehow “smelled that information” as well and object strongly against backing it up with hard facts (which could be gained by asking the players instead of smelling things out of thin air).
If I remember right, this guy was an extremist “remove ganking” guy that had little interest in facts as well. Basically the other end of the stick.
Sounds again pretty much like something you just smelled. I am pretty sure you have problems where the “of course” and the “clear translation” come from, except from your personal opinion based on the things you smell.
Doesn’t makes any sense at all. If I would like to see ganking being removed, why shouldn’t I say so? There is not the slightest bit of consequence for me. I already explained that my motive is to keep the game healty and progressing, hopefully for many many years. CCP making profit is a simple economic nessessity for that. And since ganking is a topic that is very often argued about, very extremely from time to time even, having as much data on CCPs side simply helps.
What value would that add to the topic? Being +1 pro or contra ganking does change exactly what or give us what insight exactly on the matter? I mean, I didnt remember that the content of the topic is “What does Syzygium thinks about ganking and why is he wrong/right?”. Also asking the players has nothing to do with “imaginary survey people”, they are real persons giving this feedback. A feedback you seem to valiantly fight against, one might wonder… why, after you claimed to know that those having a problem with ganking are only a small minority?
Not really. Aiko is basically saying that changes that were made didn’t need to be. That there was nothing wrong with the status quo. I agree.
Noooo. I’m the one saying there isn’t a problem to fix in the first place and you are inventing one. You conjure up a ‘survey’ in response to a non-existent problem that you would have had to have a survey in the first place to even establish exists…lol ! Talk about cart before horse.
The topic itself (and all the other ones with very heated discussions) seem to indicate that there are opposing views on this matter. I would leave it to CCP to decide if “a problem exists”. For sure I see no expertise on your side to accept such a proclamation from you as a fact. And if you are right, you would have absolutely nothing to fear from such a survey, as it would for sure prove your point.
If I had your gift of “smelling things”, I’d maybe smell your fear that all your non-backed-up claims you made in the discussions are revealed as wrong. Either illusions or intentionally made-up claims despite knowing better. Who knows, I can’t smell things like you can. Thats why prefer asking questions.
Lol…that is classic Lucas. Invent a problem that needs a ‘survey’…all ‘decided by CCP’ ( of course…lol ), for a problem you haven’t established actually exists in the first place, and then argue that anyone who objects to your survey of an imaginary made up problem must have something to fear from the results.
That is bootstrapping par excellence. You say no survey is ‘needed’…then you invent the problem that retrospectively goes back in time and generates the need for a survey to establish it.
I have already corrected you on this one. Repeating false claims don’t make them true.
Strawman again, nobody was talking about “anyone”. It is specifically you who claimed that those speaking up against ganking are just a small but vocal minority. If you really believe it, a survey would be in your best interest, because it would back up your claim. But you act like you would actually want to prevent having valid data about the players opinion on the matter. Why is that?
It’s raining outside. Shall we ban rain because some have the view that they don’t like it ?
What if some don’t like that knights can jump over other pieces in chess ? Shall we have a ‘survey’ and change a 500 year old game as a result. Or maybe we should just say suck it up…that’s the way the game is and if you don’t like it go play something else and stop whining.
No I’ve said all along that I don’t care what these people want. If they don’t like the game as it is they are free to go play something else. I don’t care if they leave. In fact we could do without all their whining so maybe they should do. You can’t please all the people all the time…and trying to do so is a recipe for ruining the game.
Sure, if one of those other matters creates heated discussions bascially every week at the boards, I’d suggest to CCP to investigate if there is a problem they might want to adress. A survey could help to get data about the players opinions, for sure.
If the rain is hurting your business, you are well advised to think about measures to minimize it’s impact. The question is, how big is the impact (if only “some” have the view that they don’t like it, probably not big). So translated to the topic of “ganking”, if only “some” have the view that they don’t like it, your point would be proven that “no problem exist”. At least none that would be worth acting upon.
I have already corrected you on that. Chess is no business product owned by a single company that needs to run an infrastructure to maintain it and generate profits to keep developing it. Please, stop arguing in circles, it does not help your point.
hmmm… sounds different than:
But, it’s okay if that is your opinion. But don’t expect anyone caring for your opinion either. If CCP makes changes (based on economic evaluation) that you don’t like, you are also free to go play something else. All those who might like these changes will also not care if you leave. In fact they will do fine without your complaints then.
Nobody suggested to please all the people all the time. A strawman again. But as usual, valid data on peoples opinions would help to make decisions upon which changes might be liked by most and disliked by only a few.
Ever since the changes to docking rules in high sec (Nov 11, 2022), the number of days it takes to get to 100 Hulk ganked-tagged kills has more than tripled in recent memory. It takes nearly a full year for 100 Hulks to get ganked these days.
(Note the 2021 outliers are likely attributable to scarcity)
This is just you bootstrapping on the fly…classic Lucas dishonest arguing. Invent a problem. Make out there’s a bunch of compatriots affected by it and all you want to do is help. Pretend compatriots are being harassed by nasty people. Think of the economy ! Think of the children ! Have a ‘plebiscite’…as you care SO much about what the people think. Sheesh…all that’s missing is a faked border skirmish.
Repeating false accusations is not helping your cause.
Collecting data is not “inventing a problem”. Collecting data is mislabeled “inventing a problem” by those who would like to make decisions based on personal feelings and beliefs (or “smelling things” like you call it). If you really believe that those who would like ganking to be nerfed further or even removed are a small but vocal minority (I already quoted you on that), what are you afraid of? A survey would prove you right for sure. Or did you lie about it? Don’t you really believe that and just want to create an illusion?
While you claim you don’t care for other players’ opinion, you fight valiantly against even asking them, so at least you seem to care A LOT for the fact that no data on players (aka paying customers) opinions is collected. I wonder why is that? But I asked that question multiple times now and you do nothing but dodging and repeating accusations you completely made up.
That can be used as a piece of the puzzle, but it’s also a prime example of “fishing in the mist”. We have no idea how to interpret that data and can only speculate about the reasons. And everyone will surely speculate in the direction that favors his personal ideas about the topic.
Even if we could find out the exact reason for this decline in hulk ganks (lets assume for a moment it is directly connected to the ganking changes done by CCP), we don’t know if this is good or bad for the game at all. Maybe its pretty much what CCP desired with this change and a lot more people like that change than dislike it, so these datapoints are simply nothing to worry about because the probability of people liking their game experience is higher than before. Or CCP messed up by restricting ganking too harsh and these numbers will hurt the game in the long run. I don’t know, you don’t know, we can just guess.
Yes it is, when you have already assigned the problem for which you wish to collect the data, and are thus retrospectively bootstrapping the ‘reasons’ for collecting the very data that would a priori determine if there was even a problem in the first place !
You give away the fake logic when you yourself even admit that a survey is ‘not needed’. Well of course it isn’t in your bootstrapped universe…as you have already decided there’s an issue anyway. The survey is simply a rubber stamping ‘plebiscite’.
And as for people whining on the forums being the source of complaint…they are largely all alts of the same tiny handful of people.
I assume you are Lucas, as your ‘logic’ is identical. You’ve been peddling this nonsense non stop for 8 years now.
