Can we all just agree that ingame mining permits are a real silly goober suggestion?
Is that again something you have “smelled”? Looks to me like you simply made it up because you show an astounding lack of arguments in the discussion. As far as I can remember (oh wait, I even quoted you multiple times), you are the only one making claims here. And you keep doing it.
Same. Repeating wrong accusations don’t make them true. We already had this. I even gave an example that not everything that is helpful is needed at the same time. If you cannot understand the difference, not much I can do about it.
Next made-up story? I assume you can “smell that somehow” again? What are you going to do now, repeating “he is Lucas, he is Lucas!” every second post because you have nothing of value to add to the discussion?
They are a form of scamming, and scamming is perfectly legitimate in Eve. The mining permits are essentially no different to mobster ‘protection’ rackets. All quite within the rules of Eve…so I am all for it. Needless to say, I myself would tell anyone demanding I buy a permit where they can shove it…but I guess some consider the permits cost less than losing their ships…which is precisely how any good protection racket works.
And hey thats fine. I’m more against the implication of a dedicated system to enforce that breed of sovereignty in highsec
I don’t think there is any ‘official’ dedicated system. As far as I’m aware ( Aiko will no doubt correct if I’m wrong ) the mining permits are implemented either by a prescribed segment of text in their bio, or by membership of some sub-corp of Safety.
You’re right, its just one of OP’s suggestions that i take major umbrage with
With mining not being as lucrative in High Sec any longer. fewer Hulks will undock resulting in fewer High Sec kills.
Gankers who complain about ganking in High Sec hate the fact that in Low Sec, the likelihood of a fleet of gankstroyers being stopped on a gate ruins the gankers day.
In Low Sec, War Decs do not need to be paid for when attacking ganker stations like the stations in High Sec do. Suffer a Sec Status hit, attack the ganker post and in a few days, no more ganker post.
Gankers can’t hide behind docking mechanics or response timers in Low Sec like the ganker is able to in High Sec.
The response fleets in Low are more cuthroat as well and can be any player in a ship, who doesnt have to wait for the -1 ganker to go Red before attacking. High Sec gankers cant hide behind a +5.0 Sec Status in Low Sec either like they do in High Sec.
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This is what frostpacker said and I still personally do not find it convincing, especially since the only meaningful mining changes to high sec the past 10 months has been the addition of coveted blue star Isogen sites not available to Low Sec.
They are being run consistently and emptied regularly.
So I do not weigh this possibility as likely. It is possible just incredibly improbable.
Actually, most of the good ore has been moved to Low Sec while most of the best ore containing Isogen, are now located in Trig space which is easy to access.
Wanna gank mining barges? Needle Jack your fleet into Trig Space.
It is nonsense. Fly to any HS ice belt and you will find them there.
The drop in rate of kills will be mostly caused by absence of a specific ganker(s). Ever since the massive EHP buff, the number of gankers who were ganking miners dropped significantly (mainly due to the fact that you now need at least 5 accounts, where before you could do it with just 2, and since it needs that many accounts it needs more ISK/$$$ to sub them which this activity has no chance to provide) and only few dedicated gankers remained. And those worked twice as hard to offset this. In fact I believe that this activity would died completely if not by:
- mining permits roleplay
- alliance bounties for killing miners
- gank miners, ie. miners who have ganking setup to protect “their” belts from uninvited guests
So one of these hardcore miner gankers stopped playing or decided to go after more profitable targets instead. Is most logical and probable explanation.
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This to me seems the far more likely reasoning. I know I am typically a pro ganking voice here but I am not a ganker and not in the ganker community, so I appreciate you bringing your actual first hand experience here.
Well…the actual facts, looking at the stats, are…
In the whole of 2022, Safety ganked about 11.4 trillion worth of stuff from 32,400 ganks
In 2023, just for the year to date up to mid July…Safety have already ganked 10.5 trillion worth of stuff from 13,760 ganks.
So…on a yearly basis the ‘number of ganks’ is down maybe a third…but the actual ISK value of ganks is up 47% .
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No need, a lot of options exist.
- FW: lots of real pvpers who shoots back at you
- Fleet up, take a needlejack filament, go roam in null and do real pvp against players with ships that have weapons to shoot back. You can even try to catch up on CCP on Fridays
- Go and try to steal ESS and see if anyone show up for a good pvp session
- Declare wars, shoot at structures and see if anyone shows up for a fight.
Etc.
I bet these few examples are all more interesting than to shoot at Venture equiped with 2 light drones. Or is it too much challenge for your kind?
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I mean gankers do weed out the badly fit freighters/bowheads? Let Darwin’s rule weed out the weak and the strong. Or is that too much challenge for you to realize. 
Devil’s advocate here. I don’t want a cargo expanded freighter flying through EVE with impunity.
And nothing stop you to shoot at them. Hope you were not trying to make a point with that.
I’m a carebear, I don’t give a f*** about pvp, so what do I know? I get caucht ? Then that’s what it is, and I refit to continue with my stuff.
I know just enough that shooting at Venture and barges is not consensual PVP like what is (was) done in Proving Ground arena for example. And FW (which to your laughing pleasure I wrote about the “real pvpers”) , that’s clearly more a PVP environment than a miner doing their stuff in high-sec. If you do FW without the idea of shooting at players, you probably are doing it wrong. Now if you have a definition and requirements for “real pvpers”, please educate me with THE exact definition so that I know the next time.
People who undock or open the market window. It’s really that simple.
Anyone else that tells you otherwise has an agenda.
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This is all you needed to say. The rest is foot-in-mouth.
Exhibit A:
…and my previous comment was simply laughing at your ridiculous comments about „pewpew pvp“. If you keep standing by them, I keep standing by my laughter.
…and indeed, you kept standing by them. 
No, you don’t get to tell me what I’m allowed to say, Mr. Or Ms. Or Mrs. „Munch Munch Munch“ Suki. Try articulating your ideas better. Where did I hear that before? 
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