I like this. It all seems to be well thought (unless I am missing something). And yes I do trading as well, just not the bot-style. I just put all my stuff there for sell and gtfo. Adjusting the orders only if it is not sold after a few days and when I do so I put the price to lot less than lowest sell order not 0.01 isk.
I have however two remarks.
the new citadel fees are kinda unfair for those who use their citadel to for corp/alliance trading only
what about price of margin trading? or will that skill be removed and we get brand new one? reusing skills is probably bad ideaā¦
Yuckā¦ so pretty much you want to punish people that are actively trading rather than just putting up an order and AFK waiting around for it to fill.
As you said in the blog, few orders are modified a lot so why bother with a change that doesnāt effect much, except for the few that are more active.
Then on top of that, getting rid of margin trading. So now why bother buying in slow markets? This will devastate trading in null where orders take a long time to fill. No point in putting up buy orders and having billions or hundreds of billions tied up for months waiting on them to fill.
Hope all the noobs get ready and inject to get jump freighters as they will be hauling all their junk to JIta on their own now.
Rubbish. In the past when only outposts existed, you had to pay SCC tax and fees that were just as high as in any NPC station. The unfair advantage of structures over NPC stations needs to end and complaining about a reduction of this unfair advantage is unjustifiable.
This is wrong. What it means is the majority of market orders do not have their prices adjusted as most items in this game are very low traffic compared to plex, ammo, etc. Glad you guys know how to properly interpret data and are taking part in this conversation though. Anyone who has bought plex for their alts via buy orders knows you always wind up having to adjust your price once or twice, sometimes more on high traffic days. This singular change can be overcome by going to sell orders. However, combined with the new āprice precisionā brackets, these changes will simply cause havoc as buy orders soar and sell orders tank as people still desire to have their orders appear on top to quickly move their isk and assets.
EDIT -
As I stated above, if you think people are doing it for āpenniesā then you are ignorant to how the market works. They are doing it to quickly regain liquidity to move on to their next exchange. While that order may only go up by āpenniesā we are making millions of isk typically with each transaction. Itās time, not money, that is the reason for the .01 isk game. The sooner you understand that the sooner we can move on to the actual problems presented.
Your right, I just wonāt bother trading at all. I am not going to waste my time on ridiculous ātickā sizes and insane costs. Pretty much no incentive to be at KB trading to get your item sold faster. And no, I am not going to put my orders up, then hope that they either arenāt undercut or wait weeks for them to fill or else be raped for fees.
Sigh. As much as I love the salt, itās just getting more depressing to imagine that these are supposed adults. Ok, kid, have fun in your little fantasy world.
Iām actually fine in principle with all of the changes (even more fees for order changes) except one: the elimination of margin trading is asinine. I donāt understand how you can make drastic changes to the market system purportedly to align it with the behavior of actual markets and then remove buying on margin. This doesnāt make any sense! Please reconsider!
I really donāt know what to tell you if you canāt understand what Iām saying. I know you arenāt new to the game so you have to have some understanding of market dynamics. This is the kind of ā ā ā ā I do for a living, just because data is presented one way doesnāt mean I canāt access exact figures. CCP is wanting to hide those figures thereby forcing players to stick to brackets when it comes to placing orders to insure they are on top to move items quickly.
The game is played on how fast money and items can change hands. If you donāt understand that Iām afraid you are the hopeless one here.
Walk away from EVE for 2 years and come back a comparative trilionaire. Store your caps, isk, minerals and everything else. Do not fire sell or destroy anything.
F CCP and their changes. If the game survives their attempts to reset the economy, The stuff you store now will be worth many times more when they are done.
The margin trading change is awesome! I donāt know how many times Iāve tried to fill a market buy order only for it to disappear. Because, they didnāt have enough money in their account to cover their order.
The significant digit change is good also. No, more .01 isk lower on a 1B isk item. That was annoying.
The relist fee is also good. Will make it easier to compete with the Jita market bots.
All together, sounds like a bunch of good changes.
It is about time CCP tries something to shake up the 0.01 isk game. It will be interesting to see how it plays out. Iāve always thought they should try to design a system that encourages people to āprice it right the first time.ā
My corp does a boat load of trading and I can say its very depressing when a market bot moves into your system.
I donāt do a lot of margin trading, but Iām curious to see how that plays out. It seems questionable. However, I donāt buy the argument that the current skills helps new players. They are training other things. Additionally, the more money you have, the more impact the skill gives you, so if anything it seems to help those with MORE money rather than less.
I agree with the comments that if they change the purpose of a skill, they should refund those skill points and allow players to choose if that is where they want them.
Riiiight. And now CCP has stated that the 0.01 minimum change has gone away and we now get to change order prices only to a precision of 4 significant figures. Which in case of a single digit price of 6.99 ISK allows you to change the price to 6.991.
Unless they also state āor 0.01 ISK, whatever is higherā. Which they didnāt.
@CCP: Maybe you want to clarify what you actually meant?
