hyper-invented?
LOL sandbox my A**,want end game cotent? only 1 play style,want the best ISK samething,able to compeat on most things only 1 way to play.Eve is not never was a sandbox game CCP makes sure of that all the goodies only go to the big corps same old same old what is new?
Which turned out to be raffles. So, you know, good jorb, Hilscray, youâve âinventedâ raffles, and they can totally be used in the real world, too. Dudeâs a walking game of Buzzword Bingo.
Bingo would be an improvement over the hypernet.
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Maybe theyâll invent that next.
Buying skills through the character sheet is considerably more expensive than buying them on the market.
Only if you buy them at one of the originating NPC schools - directly from the NPCs.
âThis shows that the significant majority of orders (approximately 94%) never get modified at all.â
you really didnt count the npc orders etc? this cant be true⌠every((mostly) player here in eve modifi his order more then 1 time
I often just give up. I list my sell order, it gets 0.01 isked, then 0.01 isked again. I just leave it there and forget about it, finding the item in my hangar 90 days later. Since they dramatically upped the taxes a few months ago, I have stopped using buy orders - the taxes I have to pay are so huge that it eliminates any cost savings I used to get.
So yes, some people never modify their market orders.
Wow, in one sentence you killed station trading
Character then drops the price to 1,950,000 ISK . They are charged a fee of 23,400 ISK , calculated as follows:
- 0 + (1-RD) BR 1,950,000 = 23,400
- (In this case, the delta is negative, so the first part of the fee is 0)
RIP, time to sell my â â â â as fast as I can and get out of the station trading game.
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Lol⌠It doesnât matter if you âprice it right the first timeâ. With this new system you are going to gamble on if someone undercuts you do you wait a long time (possibly forever) for your order to fill or do you lose almost all your profits hoping to get it to fill faster.
Imagine you put your one item on the market at the lowest price. Seems like it must be priced right since itâs the lowest price. Then right after you someone puts up a large order that is bigger than the dayâs total volume (or even multiple dayâs volume). So, now you can either wait and hope it sells (not likely as people will undercut this new order) or you can lose your ass modifying your order.
This is the new reality. Placing any order is a gamble hoping that a larger order after yours doesnât block you causing huge loss.
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Wrong.
Do you even know what âliterallyâ means? Seriously?
Unrelated.
This thread was actually going ok up until your posts 
So sad.
Cypr3ss.
Thatâs just poor risk assessment.
If you value your liquidity over your profits, you choose a price that is [edit: so close to the middle of the spread] that players who prioritize profits over liquidity cannot afford to match it.
Not necessarily, i have all but one off my 6 characters trained with varying levels of trade skill - one Tycoon 5 and another Tycoon 4⌠but the only one with Margin 4 is an alt stationed for occasional buying in Jita (using buy orders for better margins of course). Trained it as an experiment really, since CCP keeps throwing free SP at us, but it certainly wasnât ever worth it to me to push it to 5 or to train it on my other characters. It just wasnât critical to my chosen play style, but i can certainly understand why it is of extreme value to others with a more trading focused play style.
Seems now it will indeed be a mandatory skill for anyone that wants to use the market with any regularity, or just throw away their isk.
For the record, i support keeping Margin Trading as it is and CCP should find a better way to beat the botters that doesnât destroy the game for active traders. Yes the cost to reprice an order should probably be more than 100 isk in a great many cases, but I donât think it should be as punitive as 1/2 again as much (with no ABR trained) as the original. But if you are going to have a relist fee, then it is definitely time to vary the broker and relist fees by the duration of the order; itâs never made sense to me why its the same price for 1 day or 90 days or any other point inbetween.
Every player, every single player, looks at eve and seeâs it is slowly turning into a apocalyptic wasteland. We all see the blue donuts festering- and we see the archaic mechanics that make war a logistical nightmare at scale. We all see the bots filling the plexes in fw. We all see the supers more than happy to grind for hours in the anom but are always busy when a strat is pinged. We see the bombers and jacks blitzing missions across all empire space. We see the instant undercut when you post your sell order. We see the fireworks and abandoned drones on the undock forcing lag for an easier gank. We all see the cracks in the coding and we ALL exploit the hell out of easy isk when those cracks finally collapse into gaping holes in the mechanics of a given job.
Whether you love this game or you love to hate it, we can all agree if left untreated, eve would actually die. Iâm no game theory mastermind, nor do I have experience with game development but what I can say, is when you know something is going to break, you try prevent it; for instance, a cup slips off the worktop and plummets to the floor. nobody just stands and watches, especially if they paid for the cup. Some people are on the ball and catch with their hand not spilling a drop, some simply place their foot out to break the cups fall and stop it from shattering (burning their foot in the process), occasionally somebody will miss despite making an attempt and by fluke the cup survives the fall unharmed with only a small puddle to clean up and coffee to replace; and in really rare cases, somebody will hit the cup with their hand, bouncing it wildly off the cupboard door before misjudging the distance and stomping the cup to the ground, leaving themselves burnt, hurting, cupless & with a coffee soaked kitchen that requires cleaning. Some methods, such as catching in your hand, yield better results but the cup gets saved in most cases regardless.
Admittedly in that cup analogy, CCP tends to end up with a burnt foot, However Its also likely that when spit balling/ planning out this change CCP will have taken into account what the reaction would be alongside things like the exploits, the plex prices, the pcu etc.
This means they knew to expect severe backlash and they did it anyway; that tells me the cup is already falling, and CCP obviously decided that ripping off the plaster now was better than slowly tugging at the adhesive for months to come.
I dabble in pretty much all forms, so my in game identity isnât tied to a specific style of play, so perhaps I look at things differently, despite enjoying a style, it doesnât mean I donât appreciate how exploited it is and then get mad when it gets patched; even if their fix seems counter intuitive to me, at least they are making an attempt.
We all have a steak in the market and new eden economy and this hits everybody- I canât think of any other change in the last year that has impacted every player, alpha or omega, outside of the market corrections, therefore I think any changes made here will have been severely thought through and impacts stress tested to some extent before implementations, also as a side note I remember Hilmar talking a lot about the market recently, so it should be no surprise that everything he directed conversations towards, and some of the bigger patches we are seeingâŚ
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Agreed, they have â â â â â â trading in a nutshell, I think the only way you can operate through this, is to have your own person trading hub in a highsec and even nullsec system, trading in PH where I am is going to be very interesting. I think this will kill jita , kill market hubs altogether, interesting times ahead I guess, probably for the worst but hey ho
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No what happens is a larger fish comes along and under cuts you tell you canât keep going - ISK.
Hey CCP Try this instead.
I spend 90% of my time station trading (yes there are people that enjoy that mind numbing â â â â â â â â so many of you dread). As much i would agree, with Most other station traders, that the market has some things that need to be looked at⌠these patch notes for the next release are just diarrhea⌠I mean I can understand the base idea for most of the changes, but you will kill station trading as a profession in eve. The market will become somewhere to invest large amount of isk and just sit on⌠but that will be all that trading is good for.
What you have planned is just shitting in station traders biscuits.
CCP Instead of this complicated mess that kills station trading try these ideas that I came up with while taking a dump that are all better than what you have planned.
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Leave margin trading in, but if your wallet goes below what would be needed to fulfill any ONE oder, it cancels that oder. Leaves some liquidity for low capital traders, but gets rid of margin trading scams ( itâs Not Hard to track highest market oders in comparison to wallet balance)
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market oders can be updated as often as you want, with a 1% cost of item fee if changed within the first hour, .5% the first day, .2% the first week, and nothing if it is more than a week old. (Change the numbers a Little if you see fit, but there needs to be a way to update oders on rare items that sell one or two a month without bankrupting yourself.)
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randomize the last four (or 5, or 6 depending on the price of the item) digits of sell and buy oders, so you canât exactly 0.01 isk someone. You can either undercut them by a decent margin, or role the dice and hope you beat them at the 0.01 isk game.
That should fix all the things you seem not to like without killing an important, beloved playstyle.
Thanks
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Maybe we can pay the broker fees in hypercores instead of isk.
Just wait for the out out of game websites listing stuff for sale bypassing the market .LOL CCP thought they had a RMT and bot problem before
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