Yeah, you seriously have nothing to say .
You seriously claim that anti-trusts laws made Microsoft reduce the price of their license ?
And you can still do it now without the 0.01 isks. Just more expensive the more active you are⌠and so more effective the more clever you go.
Someone asked earlier about medium and low volume items being sold/traded with the new system.
As an almost pure trader, buying in Jita and sending items to other hubs and high sec regions, selling low/med volume items has become brutal, even selling at 10% above Jita. High volume items outside Jita still seem to be selling well.
I will wait to see how the weekend goes before giving a more detailed post.
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Just now, when I was listing some trash items to get rid of, instead of the list price defaulting to the highest buy order, the price defaulted to precisely 1 tick above the highest buy order, purely to irritate me as I wait five minutes to clear up my orders and to suck up broker fee that was many times higher than the tick I was saving.
Did you really think this was a feature anyone wanted?
Edit: I find it ironic that this is exactly the sort of conduct CCP was trying to prevent, i.e. sitting there with a stopwatch set to 5 minutes so I can alter my order by 1 tick.
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Yup.
I wanted it.
And Iâm loving the salt that I knew this would create.
Thank you for salting my popcorn this morning.
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Christ on a bike, how do you not know how to operate the GUI by now?
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Perhaps but simply tabbing out of the dialogue or clicking in another empty field should rationalise the input, like in Contracts, and is a good habit to get into.
However if itâs genuinely buggy, objection withdrawn.
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I know I was being sarcastic, youâll always find someone like Anderson takes the excuse and defend it .
You know the usefull âŚ
I am expected CCP to try again to put some nails in the trade coffin.
By the way , the game Black Desert online ( see the Rheinardâs post) give me a bleak future of the trade .
@Tater-nuts yes, you are compelled to avoid large orders
if it is a small trader , other traders that already put their orders might no modify theirs
if a big order , the undercut will be automatically executed.
With big orders, the relist fee is mortal, whereas divided in several orders optimize your chance than one of these might be executed without modifications.
Except itâs just stupid.
Claiming stupid things does not make you less stupid.
Youâll always find people like me who take the excuse to laugh at your stupidity.
Maybe you should ponder your own words.
Maybe you should learn to make argument other than personal attacks. And STFU when you have literally nothing to say.
Lol⌠who personal attacks first ⌠You. Then the response happens. I know itâs hard to keep track when your IQ is lower than a bag of rocks.
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I am not.
He literally claimed that this was âsarcasmâ, that is something that is stupid on purpose.
And I claim that doing so does not make his argument better : sarcasm that is not on point is just added stupidity.
Please, learn to read.
That however is a personal attack.
That also. Just because you claimed stupid things, does not make me calling it BS a personal attack.
On the opposite of you, I stick to what people say - unless they use themselves as a proof, and in that case they deserve to be shat on since they are the one bringing the topic.
So that post is just BS from you.
âYou donât agree with us so you are insultingâ. No, I call stupid, stupid. And I point out how stupid your argument is, and how stupid YOU show when you use yourself as an example to prove stupidity.
Same old, same old âŚ
To sum-up :
- No justification : argumentation limited ( CCP says, I say so ⌠you stupid, often insults )
- Using deflection : accusing you of what he is doing so that he thinks he would avoid being critized .
- Wanted to have the upper hand in anything especially when he shows his ignorance.
- limited understanding or deliberately being a troll
Thatâs a nice set of quality, itâs like fighting a bot on the market
- he has obviously plenty of time
- levelling his post counter, his troll level ?
Back to the subject :
Still have some orders, put 3 days before the change, way long burried in the market :
long live the 0.01% .
Thatâs literally your whole post.
Unrelated. I did not call him stupid in that post. What I called stupid, is making sarcasms without a point : thatâs just adding more stupidity, not an argument. And by doing so, he made his previous argument even more based on stupidity.
Again : learn to read.
About the relisting formula, I succeed to make it simplier by one small hypothesis :
- SO(n) sell order after n relist , SO(n) equivalent to SO( n=0) ( independant of n)
meaning there is no chaotic movement on the product youâre selling , if the SO move too fast
( something like 10% , youâll have only a general idea , not usable to really evaluate your gain )
SO(n) = SO x [ 1 - br( 1+ sl x n) - tt ]
where br = your broker fee, sl = 1 - skill level relist and tt = transaction taxe
For example in teh cae of the plex with an SO at 3 400 000
my br = 0.0302 ( skill and standing at Jita at 3.02%) , tt = 0.0225 ( accounting at 5) and my sl =0.5 ( advanced broker fee at only 4)
After the first relist SO(1) = 3 169 480 isk ( the local BO is at 3.228M)
logical decision : not sell through SO but directly to BO
Other information : you can check in Jita the effect of the relist ,
there is ( but to be followed , to confirm) a lack of 500 orders/days ,
that I think was the action of the station-traders .
The real formula is quite unusable for an human but definitly not a problem with excel or for any bot programmer
( in case you are still thinking that was a way to prevent any botters) ,
it is 2 nested series .
@Anderson_Geten lol , I should have foreseen this , âno â â â â givenâ âŚ
@Joia_Crenca I can tell you that I succeeded to scare myself ,
brace yourself for any new CCP trade nerf coming,
@Rheinhard_Kurtz has the right idea, looks like CCP will follow the Black Desert Online scheme .
and yes you did push it to the end 
I saw the 5% decay idea and puzzled greatly until it was said to be sarcasm. My only worry is that a certain âCCP decision-makerâ will think of it as a wonderful idea in order to push microtransactions. (and ironically, Iâve just finished the thought for him, havenât I?)
I noticed that our âofficial forumsâ here, and several troll-posters across the forums, in particular, are now Reddit-famous. I was noting the screen-shots and recognizing several replies featured in those shots.
As to one person that is flooding the broker fee discussions, I almost wonder if the poster is paid. We have the trolls, to be sure, but the behavior of traversing the forums in order to utterly shut down all other posters discussing the broker fee is different than the normal trolling.
The broker fee is a massive self-inflicted wound on EVE thatâs slowly manifesting its damage in both the market and playersâ ability to acquire new equipment. The person trying to shut everyone up from discussing it is certainly not helping to keep the game alive.
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What are you even trying to define ?
With max skills, BF% broker fee and ST% sell tax, after n relist at approx the same price, SO is the price you sell and BO is the price you bought,
your margin M is :
M = (SO Ă (100-BF-ST-nĂBF/4) / 100 - (100+BF)/100 Ă BO ) / SO
With BF=3 and taxes = 2.5
M = (SO Ă (94.5-0.75Ăn)/100 - 1.03ĂBO ) /SO
for item at 4M SO and 3M BO if means
M = (3.78-0.03Ăn-3.09) /4 = 17.25 -0.75Ăn %
You can literally make 23 relists before your margin becomes 0 (and you start losing money). Assuming prices donât change.
BS.
Rumor mongering is forbidden on the forum.
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Sorry wrong person ( target not @Joia_Crenca but @Anderson_Geten )
</self-control on>
Just apply my formula with something real ( any product in Jita) , compare to your formula âŚ
You can argue after âŚ
Your formula canât be true , just because the broker fee depends on the standing in Jita
in a citadel even there youâll have the minimum 1% âŚ
And I was not calculating the margin ( your M ) only what happen to the isks youâll have once you sell your product so the SO after n relisting.
You can still have a profit because the reference is not the local BO ,
you can buy it from somewhere else or sometime else or a gift etc âŚ
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My formula holds, the BF variable is to be set. I used 3% because thatâs what I have IIRC. Just because you have 5% does not mean the formula does not hold. It means, you must use your own numbers.
But what happens is literally that your margin is reduced. The question is, how is my margin reduced : the answer is, itâs linear with the number of relists : M = base-nĂ0.75 for a station, with 3% BF
Thatâs why I said a few posts before that people claiming that this will make trading not worth are literally having less than 1.5% margin on a station, or 0.5 on a structure (because thatâs the PPC loss from two relists)