You can’t know the margin as long as you don’t know where the product come from…
If you take the local BO at the exact moment your are selling through SO ,
your formula could have a sens .
And if I pay more attention to it ,i am sure to find a lot of mistake …
but i 'm not here to correct your formula
simply propose mine ( which was at least checked and easy to use )
I should’nt have looked but already one trouble , how is it taht your SO and BO is constant
after relisting your first SO become another SO
It is like you gave me the old formula with a little twist of the relist features ,
it simply make no sens .
I know I should not have looked at it …
23 relist before your margin become null
= LOL
Your formula is completely false , that obvioulsy can’t be true
It is magical thinking melted with some math powder and " Voilà "
You are a chef !!!
"The game is ruthlessly simulationist when it comes to putting burdens on the player. Like, you don’t have a single universal vault that gives you access to your cash in every major city. Instead, each city has its own vault and if you want to make a purchase in A while your money is in B, then you need to physically travel to B, have your money converted into gold bars[3] and pay the exchange rate and shipping fee, then ship the bars to city A, then wait an hour or so of real-world time for it to arrive, then convert the gold back into coins so you can spend it.
That’s an obnoxious burden to be sure, but I could respect it if this was some kind of ambitious simulation along the lines of EVE Online. And I’m sure if you asked why everything needs to be such a pain in the ass, the devs would probably mumble something about “authenticity”, “simulation” or “immersion”.
The gods of Irony are sh1tting themselves laughing
I have frightened Joia , and now you are frightening me again !!!
I am not sure we need to dig in others games ( particularly the one not belonging to Pearl),
they would probably pay attention to any " creazy ideas"
What I can see in eveonline is the effort on the plex with the vault ,
it goes against Black Desert Online description but that was made before Pearl bought CCP so ???
And recently i see often that when buying plex it goes straighlty to the vault
Because I like you , i will give you another hint :
you can’t use in your formula the common factorization of the SO
because after relisting, the initial SO was change to be on top
and the new SO value could have no link to the first
For example i put a SO of my plex at 3.4M the first time ( i call this one SO(0) because no relisting yet )
I was undercut, I have to change the amount to for instance 3.3M ( i call this one SO(1) = after one relist )
So how come in your formula , you find SO as a common factor unless SO(0) = SO (1)
I hope you’ll understand it , but i may be wrong
It would be probably not a proof for you but definitly for the other readers .
Your argument BS , BS and BS , and stupid is really not sufficient,
you need more words .
your “this is false, can’t obviously be true” is BS.
Then instead of using (100-BF-ST-n -…) you use 100*(cutfactor^(c+1))^n
With cutfactor being between 999/1000 and 9998/9999 , and c the numbers of cuts between two of yours
If there are 5 cuts between yours, the cut factor is very close to (1000-6) / 1000 in the worst case (when your order is 1000), sousing cut2= (1000-1-c)/1000 instead you use 100* cut2^n.
It’s not rocket science. if you have n orders, with 3 cuts between yours, the total reduction is lower than 4×n / 1000 so you need more than 25 cuts to have a reduction of 1ppc in your margin, from relisting only.
More than 250 if your order started with 9999.
But for simplicity I considered the price does not move.
Whaaaa? I’m not frightened, I just happen to enjoy peeking out at the world from behind my living room couch and then hiding again!
I also just peek in on the forums from time to time, not staying logged in, so my responses lag greatly. That’s why an accusation of rumor-mongering goes unanswered. My observation on the effect of the broker fee can be done by others. The market is currently undergoing adjustments, but one can also see trends that don’t appear to be dissipating over time.
One does have to be familiar with the markets in order to make sense of them, so someone just taking a glance might miss the signs. My observation has still been falsely labeled as rumor-mongering, however. Things are gonna hurt in the markets, and unless the change is reversed, the hurt is going to be the new normal… as long as EVE stays online, anyway.
Ok for the SO , but knowing you , your next SO won’t be the same at the first one .
So you are indicate a formula you won’t use …
Another hint : give me exactly how you find your 23 relist before your marge go to 0
In the case of the plex , after the first one , if you sell ( SO) where you are buying ( BO)
the first relist and your marge are gone even negative .
That is obvioulsy impossible except if your BO is like 20 times less than your SO which is exceptionnaly rare.
That only is sufficient to reject your formula .
But I am not here to debate your formula, I just read your result 23 relist to know that this is BS .
Most of the time 1 relist suffice to make you lose all your gain in Jita.
and why your M ( margin) is divided by SO ??
Your relative margin should be something like (isk earned - isk spent )/isk spent x100
so / BO and not /SO .
Your formula don’t stand a chance …
By the way where does this come from " 100*(cutfactor^(c+1))^n " .
BS.
In the case of your plex, what was the initial margin ? Yes if it was less than 0.75 % you are at loss after a single relist.
It does not contradict anything : plex has a very low margin, so you go negative once you relist.
You can complain about that ; won’t change that if you are playing relist game on the plex, you are at lost. So if someone sells plex for less than SO you are screwed. But you were already before, if that person sold low enough.
After the first relist we have a difference of 18 736 isk between the formula and the reality
error of 0.6% due to the hypothesis = decent modelization.
The more relist you do , the more the spread between modilized and real SO will be
This SO(n) lead to a real decision criteria to relist or not
For any product , as long as SO(n) - Unit_ Cost >0 , you are good .
The estimed number of relist would be higher than the real number of relist where your margin is null .
This is due to the fact that any relist is made usually with a lesser SO , and in my model the SO is supposed to be constant.
Study finished .
I have done partially the work of the next bot-programmer
In the calculus the error is quite neglictable between a SO of 3 400 000 and 3 399 000
it looks like to you all the same no ? ( that is my hypothesis ) .
it won’t be true if the market is chaotic meaning a big gap between the SO and the following SO after relisting
Example:
you buy during the morning one plex at 3.4M , CCP promotion on plex after the DT , the SO plex now is 3.1 M
=> you are screwed , this model is not applicable .
If you have a look on https://imgur.com/a/psaAoLj , the estimation of the error is made.
after at least 4-5 relist the model would give probably an error around 15%
this should be sufficient to make your decision .
I am already tired to write the complete formula , perhaps another day
it is based on two nested series with a big sygma .
By the way , you can understand now why the supposed solved 0.01 isk war is not true
just replace with the 0.0x% ( it is not 0.001% but near).
It just accelerate the point where the margin is null,
For the traders in this fight ,it begin to be a game of optimize your losses
You don’t need to. I wrote already that the reduction from ONE cut is less than 1 / 1000 so 0.1 ppc of margin , which you multiply by the number of cuts +1 , so n⋅v⋅0.1 . You compare that to the ppc reduction per relisting, which is 0.75 , and you consider that 0.1ppc is for the lowest value(1000xxxx), and you realize that the loss from small cuts is lower than 10/75 so 13%, so … well very small in reality
I logged in earlier today, and then as I was doing it I realised I had nothing to check. No orders to update, no manufacturing jobs to take to Jita, and missioning is pretty tedious anyway.
And then I remembered all the advice from people in some of these threads! , about how it was about intelligently adapting to the new market conditions, and how those people who most intelligently priced their orders would be the ones who could get all the profits under the new regime.
So I intelligently adapted my buy/sell order strategy, to “f*ck it, what’s left of this doesn’t interest me any more” , and had a good time playing Witcher III, The wild hunt.
Lol that’s why I see that for all the stuff i write you only took one thing from me ,
my hypothesis because I am quite sure you did not “invent” it .
Let’s be clear , that hypothesis is a quick work around often false in most case ,
someone severely undercut your orders and this hypothesis is not filled.
The global case with the complete formula that I am sure you won’t find by yourself,
would be necessary .
When you copy someone else’s stuff please try to understand all the consequences .
Your answer reflects your ignorance.
By the way , no-one will understand your gibbrish “ppc” and all the “avracada stuff”
it is math and not magic , math has the advantage to be understood by everybody .
Magic is the suff coming from your …
Your formula is false, it is completely made up .
read the post where you’ll find my comments like this one
Your relative margin should be something like (isk earned - isk spent )/isk spent x100
so / BO and not /SO .
Why I am bothering with him … I feel like an idiot .
@Rheinhard_Kurtz@Gowa_Hyasyoda : you have to be patient, take some time to study the new system
identifying all the problem will enable you to find new way of trade .
At the moment the trade is funny , more players will quit the trade ,
whatever the other players think , they would need you and
I am intending to make them pay for any silly CCP decisions .
Because at the end ( in 2-3 months, stabilized market ) , we ( traders) will repercut all broker fee ,
all taxes to the customer . It will be buziness as usual .
And of course since it’s your hypothesis I use it -.-
FFS “here is my hypothesis but don’t use it”
Well, not by you, what can I say. Do you need a lesson in math ?
So here it is : the margin is expressed as a part of the total money income. That part is a ratio, and can be expressed eg on a base 1 (gain/income) or on a base 100 (100×gain/income), in which case it is a percentage. Since it is a percentage, any increase in it on this percentage is a percentage point : if your margin is 10%, then an increase of 10 ppc means it becomes a 20% margin, which mean you doubles your margin, that is a 100% increase.
In the case we are considering, every relist is translated in a reduction of the margin, expressed as a net ppc loss. Which means that based on your margin, and the ppc lost by each relist, you know how many relist you can afford to perform before going negative. In the example I provided, with a 33% spread (SO = 1.33*BO), the margin becomes negative after 23 relists, within the hypothesis provided, including yours.
Что за глупый человек придумал это.
Я не бот, я меняю цену сам, почему я не могу поставить цену на свой корабль 368113109.87
Если там есть боты которые много раз меняют цены, так и боритесь с ними.
Сделайте возможность изменения цены раз в час или еще реже и все.
Почему из за того что вы боретесь с ботами, должен страдать я.
So basically your story is, that you didnt even play since the patch and then logged in to not play a bit more. Thats your thing, but makes your opinion concerning the change irrelevant.
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