Considering you logged in and targeted one poster with a non-post, I don’t see how your opinion is any more relevant than his.
There are quite a few of us attempting to play under the new rules, but also not staying silent about the much more problematic position we’d been put in. I suppose it could be amusing to watch CCP do the same thing to other areas of the game, but alienating so many other players in addition to what they’ve already done would just accelerate the closing of CCP’s doors as a company.
But seeing what position you came in on, I’d guess that anything that doesn’t cheer every change that CCP makes will be waved off as irrelevant, so I’ll just go ahead and mark you as that kind.
This no rational discussion, as you can see on posters like the one i critizied. He literally didnt even put up one order since the change but is complaining about the new system in every thread.
Your scenario would not occure before at least a couple of weeks
time needed for the other actors in the market to have the new changes sinked in their mind
there are still enough products manufactured with old rules ( ore, PI, etc… ),
the actual market is still guided with old rules ( even if the relist applies now)
we don’t have a IG tools splitting BO and SO they are all mixed
But it won’t differenciate the new habits ( this is my guess) to sell directly through BO instead of using SO
a missing SO would be a new BO and the mixed number of order should not be changed that much.
The changes in the number of orders could be translated in the activity of the traders
The kill of the trading station which generates I think for a certain products ( big volum, good demand)
more orders than the other actor of the market ( manufacturer, pv-er etc …)
some parts of the market will be left alone by traders ( product where offer > demand = pilling orders )
We are not that numerous in this game #MeMyselfAndMyAlts , the effect of theses changes can be all the more sizable.
Originally I didn’t like this change, because I must have misunderstood it. So far, I feel that it has drastically improved markets. Thanks CCP devs! You fixed the market BS.
I read this again and instead of wondering about broker relations, I am rather wondering why @Anderson_Geten has nothing better to do. It cannot mean that much to a player to sit here going on forever about it like this, no matter what they think about the change. It is as if they are here only to derail any meaningful conversation about this change and have no real care for game at all.
Currently your example item in EvE Marketeer shows sales prices from 600K to basically 2.8 Million, so its possible to save several 100% percent, depending on where the item is bought.
Amarr VIII is a trading hub, prices between sellers and buyers are always narrow at trading hubs.
Offer jump ranges and offer runtimes need to be considered.
Comparing regions an system security status is also often helpful.
A busy station will show high buy and high sell offers, tied to the range of the station,
whereby region wide offers are often much lower.
Clever traders are also putting more 24 hour offers on to the market recently.
It also depends on the item, there is far more volatile traded items in comparison. The availability of the example item is more or less the same over a long period of time . There is other items in comparision which have extreme supply and demand changes in a short time frame ( less than 1 year ), which then often result in big average price changes ( 100-1000% ) in a very short period of time. However, most items in EvE can change a lot looking at a longer time period of several years.
Trading in EvE has always been abou comparing,gathering data,personal experience, analysing,gambling and future guess predictions.
I am suspected the new features known as bug design intented :
When you put an order with the old 0.01 isk system, you are rounded to exactly the order you try to undercut .
New habits take time to settle down , this one would strike again and again …
Is the new system prevent " the fat finger" experience , I don’t think so .
From a trader perspective, this new patches reduces our way of playing ( our benefit also )
with no improvments .
Have a look at this exemple and EVE Marketer data, if you buy all decryptors available everywhere on the market with a price lower than JITA (for instance) you will only found 12 items …
For a total price of 9M.
You will sell them in JITA market at 10M
Still OK for you to jump everywhere in New eden for 1M maximum margin ??
It’s good that you realize its not worth going into that market, because the margin is too low (negative).
That’s still not a correct explanation of an issue.
So your “no concurrence anywhere” is just plainly wrong. Many items have concurrence, if you focus on one that does not, does not mean that this is generally true.
Да с округлением цены ситуация еще не такая страшная
черт с ней, пусть будет округленная
Гораздо хуже ситуация с другим.
Мне абсолютно плевать на всякие боты. то что они там переставляют цены и так далее.
Я производственник, живу в 0.0 и произвожу Т2 корабли.
И вот вам абсолютно реальные ситуации.
Материалы я закупаю на месте и у меня стоят ордера на покупку.
Ставлю сразу на большое количество, там далеко не такая оживленная торговля, они могут висеть там и месяц и два - три месяца. Я там естественно не один и существуют другие люди которые хотят купить ресурсы, так что цену я менял один раз в день или два дня.
Вот попробуйте сейчас посчитать сколько я буду вынужден заплатить и на сколько дороже мне станет купить материалы на постройку корабля. Так что и получается, если кто-то пришел и поставил новый ордер через день после меня, либо я сижу вообще без ресурсов и ничего не произвожу, либо ни о какой окупаемости и разговора нет. Как вариант я все равно меняю ордера, только добавляю процентов 100 или 200 к цене корабля, рано или поздно старые запасы все равно закончатся, а в 0.0 не такой и большой выбор. Всем придется покупать и с 100% и с 200% наценкой от стоимости материалов. И кому от этого хорошо будет? Мне нет, так как эти деньги получаю не я, они уходят на проценты при покупке материала. Простым людям которые покупают корабли? тоже не думаю.
Это еще упрощенная ситуация, так как там есть еще и продажа корабля, где за каждое изменение цены теперь тоже берут процент.
If it really comes down to eliminating bots why not implement some sort of Captcha system that you have to participate in at the beginning of a market order update session, keep it simple, and quick, but apply it randomly, maybe adjust the frequency by the correlation with bot behaviour.
Like anti-piracy which hurt more the players (who paid) than the targeted population, fighting against bots hurt more the players than the bots.
So a Captcha system would be VERY annoying for any players who have XX or XXX orders. And anti-Captcha systems exist, they can probably be integrated into bots.
Maybe a better way would be to increase the usual delay between any relisting from 5 minutes to 15 minutes. Still annoying, but while we are waiting for it, we can take care of the other orders. It can be compensated by using small orders thought…
I wouldn’t be surprised if it is the real reason, even if temporary only. Demotivating traders to even log in can contribute to the shortage era that CCP wish.
It is just that this is overkill and will affect everybody, not only the traders…
Well after 1 weekend in practice, it’s clear that these new market rules, as one could predict, suck for me.
Buy-Order :
Instead of just having to manage big 1 buy order for some ore that was 0.01-isked when needed, I now have that big buy order AND 5 small ones. Since the competition is also not dumb we are now fighting for he market by placing small buy orders. And the old ones stay open in the (probably idle) hope that someone will sell a lot and that all orders will be filled. Without the margin skill it immobilizes more capital. But that is least of my problems. Eventually I will max out my market-orders limit. So I’ll probably will have to skill up another toon to be able to fight like this.
Sell-Order :
I’m really screwed there. While I normally follow the market price, I now have big sell orders (f.e. tens of millions of Trit) that are nowhere near an acceptable price. And changing it costs too much. Result : I haven’t sold 1 piece this weekend. So the era of putting 100 million pieces of Trit on the market is over. That will be an order of 5 million or so. Of course you loose the clients that want a lot more than 5 million. Or you need to look for private clients. Which again costs time and they usually expect a ‘good’ price, meaning lower than the market.
Or I could buy up all the orders before my sell-order, but that again costs a lot of capital and chances are great you are still undercut Not to say that the profits are a lot lower from these buys.
Great job CCP! my eve-life really got simplified. I admire your dedication in making your players life easier. But hey, at least the bots are happy.
i tried new rules, i thoguht cmon ccp can’t push this update to live server, i thought cmon it’s not that bad, holy smokes was i wrong, it’ s even worse i thught it would be. Simple, cost of modyfing order is atleast 10x it should be.
If i m reading this correctly, most traders and manufacturing guys never complained about 0.01 isk bots ( i know i never did), only regular ppl who dump their ■■■■ on market and wait to sell with minimuf effort. And we got this new system which screwed over ppl who didn’t ask for this.
