Buffer Vargur/Golem for L4's

I did at first but the forums rearranges the chronology of the posts, I swear. I did feel the “only scrubs don’t overheat” was a bit antagonistic, if only to make the point that it sounds like I’m talking to someone that ain’t really been there.

The TLDR was rude (if not spot on), obviously, but again what I typed in the first place should be obvious to long time runners.

The passive Golem is more lackluster than the Vargur, but a much better “Jack of all trades”. I’ll post that one after I run some more. Looking for AE so I can test room 6 again.

No, it was perfect to prove that you are an idiot.

I found the overheat button on PYFA before you. We should team up. We’d be unstoppable.

I guess the big question I’d be curious is why bother using an expensive hull, that is designed specifically to use a module that gives a HUGE bonus to active rep, then waste slots on making it a buffer fit?

A T2 active rep Marauder will smack every L4 I’ve ever run, including the epic arcs. And it can be done with more DPS and faster warping (depending on how you decide to rig it) than that buffer fit.

Edit- Given I’ve used both a Kronos and Paladin for all 4 epic arcs, i think even active rep fit they can do fine flying in against all empires/factions.

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I don’t think he can understand your words.

The thing is that in SOME specific missions you can definitely fit for buffer because blitzing them means you only need that many shield EHP. I did some specific mission fits with that in mind, this allows to have max DPS/align/warp speed/application/projection . However, blizting and bastion+salvage are two fundamentally opposed terms .

Because its still the fastest way to go, and cheaper than what I had. It gives up 2 slots that have very hard diminishing returns. I personally do not have enough time to run enough missions to gain any benefit from a single digit increase in time efficiency.

The 100% repper bonus was put in when marauders had HALF of the gank tank they use now. I hate to waste bonus too but overkill is overkill. Honestly, I got the idea flying my Paladin, I had several missions where I didn’t even get into armor.

Right. So you’re in a marauder thread, not a blitzing thread, saying I’m not blitzing it fast enough. If I stay to maraud there isn’t any difference in mission completion times or isk gained anyway.

Ahh so you’re doing full clears? How much isk you make doing full clears? Out of curiosity.

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thats the real uberfit. takeshis castle room 6 no prob.
My Raven was equipped with the following:

HIGH
06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I
01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1
01 x SALVAGER I

MEDIUM
04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS
01 x ‘HYPHNOS’ ECM
01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER

LOW
01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL
01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I
01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I
02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I

DRONES
02 x WARRIOR I DRONES
03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES

UPGRADES
01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I
01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I

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I do Dread Pirate/The Blockade/The Assault/Damsel/Zazz/Silence Tekashi 69/Recon part 1 full clears in Minmatar space. Post 19.1 I do Mordus Headhunters also. Unauthorized Military presence and Pirate Invasion and AE are “if I feel like it more than jumping”. The first block I listed nets 80-110M an hour fairly consistently, The ‘optional’ missions about 60-75M/hr. Thats at 1K/LP. Oh and I rush Cargo delivery, recon 2 and 3. 50M/hr for cargo delivery and the recons a bit less.

I cant wait to get this mission Silence Tekashi 69

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Here is an active tank version Vargur (that 100% bonus while bastioned is just too sweet to give up)
Cost is pretty equitable to what you have dps is about 400 more though, and a grappler to help with pesky small things. it is missing the mjd, but if that’s a requirement one can drop the grappler or tracking comp for it. Also salvage drones, if you are salvaging anyways, they help you clear things faster than a spare set of lights.

[Vargur, Hail …]

Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

Pithum C-Type Multispectrum Shield Hardener
Pith A-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Domination 500MN Microwarpdrive
Heavy Stasis Grappler II
Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

800mm Repeating Cannon II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Hail L
Bastion Module I
Small Tractor Beam II
Small Tractor Beam II
Salvager I

Large EM Shield Reinforcer II
Large Thermal Shield Reinforcer II

Salvage Drone I x5
Warrior II x5

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grappler is definitely not required. You have enough tracking for most things, and you can switch to barrage and one shot most frigs even at 100km if in TC range. remember to split your guns…
I use a DC and a MJD, but basically this is mine and it can tank the 1200 DPS from angel R3 ded5s just fine, and the approx same DPS from guristas r2 ded5 the same.

Maybe,

But the reality is you can run a full T2 fit active tanked Vargur which has more DPS, more tracking, tanks plenty for L4 missions, and costs 640 million less than your buffer fit.

Cool, love to see it. I’d especially love to see the mission completion times.

BTW if you’re not trawling it HAS to be able to tank AE room 6, or its useless compared to this one. That’s the only one I had trouble with.

Well I’d have to buy one again. I currently only have a paladin and Kronos. However I’ve run a T2 fit Kronos in all epic arcs and it performed perfectly fine, including the last 2 missions of the gallente arc, Studio and Showtime. IMO those are 2 of the highest incoming DPS missions you’ll find in a L4 mission.

That’s also pre patch as I have had zero playtime so far in 2021 :frowning:

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Buffer fit troll?

Yeah, people really think that unfortunately. Triggers their feigned hipster OCD and whatnot.

This is Eve online. people with one 5 and all 3’s will tell you your fit sucks because “all 5’s on PYFA” has more DPS, even though they don’t actually have any experience with those high numbers. If you’ve actually run missions you know a 15% increase in DPS will not result in a 15% increase in overall efficiency/income by a longshot. I just posted it because its a fun build for non “metagamers.” Thanks for asking.

I was able to easily crack AE rm 6 with a 2nd multispectrum (T2) in lui of MJD. IDK if its worth having to switch out a single module for one mission. So far that’s the only drawback. My bounty ticks are still the same.

Unless you actually have all 5’s :slight_smile:

But I get your point.

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[Golem, test passive]

Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II

Dread Guristas Multispectrum Shield Hardener
Missile Guidance Computer II
Large Micro Jump Drive
500MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Target Painter II
Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender
Multispectrum Shield Hardener II

Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Salvager II
Salvager II
Small Tractor Beam II
Bastion Module I

Large Core Defense Field Purger II
Large Core Defense Field Purger II

Berserker SW-900 x3

Very fun to fly. Makes a lot of ISK. Can’t wait to hear how bad it is. lol.