Came back from break -4 Billion ISK

[Nana_Skalski]

Known & Declared Exploits

Nothing about trade windows!

@Dori_Long

Even tho you failed to scam me, the vendetta was started.

Are you this GMs alt? I dont know what to believe now.

[Zachri]

@Rin_Vocaloid2

The exploit is still a problem though if what everyone else says is true.

Except it is not an exploit. It follows game mechanics. When we say “exploit” we make a moral statement, using that word to add weight to our perspective.

For CCP this is different. Does something make use of unintended and unknown behaviour of a game mechanic? Does something make use of a code level vulnerability in a game feature? Exploits.

There is a difference. Which is why CCP makes decisions and publishes those, to provide clarity.

The Trade Window scam is a case which CCP warns people against in terms of example of scamming, they do not recognise it as an exploit, in spite of our moral player perspectives.

[z0rberg]

When in doubt mail to internalaffairs@ccpgames.com

[Tipa_Riot]

This starts to get really interesting now …

[Zachri]

@Tipa_Riot

This starts to get really interesting now …

How so?

[Whitehound]

@Zachri

@Tipa_Riot

This starts to get really interesting now …

How so?

Not the word I’d be using either. I’m more like “I can’t watch this” as it seems predestined to fail. I didn’t see OP presenting any new information, but only throwing a tantrum at best, nor do I believe a GM would set someone’s wallet to negative ISKs for no good reason. There are then so many ways to do legally bad in EVE, and yet can some folks here not get it out of their heads to mess with mechanics that are meant to make trades safe.

What’s next? Well, why not guess somebody’s password! If you can guess it without using any tricks, key-loggers and cheats, who knows, maybe you’re allowed to keep the account … Put in enough effort and the universe owes you one.

[Tipa_Riot]

@Zachri

How so?

What I got so far. Scammer 1) got scammed by accused impersonation 2) got an own scam “reversed” by a questionable Senior GM decision 3) apparently reveals to be a targeted vendetta from an earlier scam attempt … a vendetta involving GM decisions!? Yes, this makes it interesting.

[Zachri]

@Tipa_Riot

What I got so far. Scammer 1) got scammed by accused impersonation 2) got an own scam “reversed” by a questionable Senior GM decision 3) apparently reveals to be a targeted vendetta from an earlier scam attempt … a vendetta involving GM decisions!? Yes, this makes it interesting.

Oh, well that’s all a domain of CCP / CS / IA, where applicable if at all.

I was more focused on the potential of policy changes, as several types / options have already flown by. From a player perspective that strikes me as more relevant, as that other bit is CCP’s domain anyway. Might be a soap, but it’s elsewhere, and it’s not our prerogrative.

[Anderson_Geten]

Brace yourself ! Shitstorm is coming !

[Whitehound]

@Tipa_Riot

Yes, this makes it interesting.

What’s to gain from the drama? Is it the tears like so often?

[Neuntausend]

It’s like watching Game of Thrones, maybe minus the boobs.

[Whitehound]

@Neuntausend

It’s like watching Game of Thrones, maybe minus the boobs.

It’s like Game of Thrones, minus the boobs, the dragons, the undead and reenacted only by two hobos on a super market’s parking space.

[Neuntausend]

Close enough.

[March_rabbit]

@Neuntausend

It doesn’t get any more clear than that. However, doesn’t that mean that CCP can scam us as well?

Well… I would say that unless it’s about real money i would allow CCP to scam us players too for sure.

[Ima_Wreckyou]

@Zachri

Now if this were in a starter system, that would be a different case.

No, the starter systems are only special in regards to actual new players which are doing the tutorial and not if you scam a 4bil citadel. Please stop making up rules which do not exist.

[Ima_Wreckyou]

@ISD_Sakimura

However there are places where such action are not allowed such as the Forum’s Market place and especially the Character Bazaar,

This is not the first time you are telling here your opinion about rules which are completely different to what the rules actually say. It is absolutely OK to scam in the market forums, the only exception is the character bazzar.

@ISD_Sakimura

you changed the ISK you offered in the direct trade and quickly accepted before the seller would notice the difference, hence why the GM has transferred the remaining ISK for your purchase

If he did that then the other party would have to accept the deal again. If that is no longer the case then that is A BUG and has nothing to do with the scam or what they agreed up on, so please if that is the case say that it is because of the bug to make it clear that nothing is wrong with the scam, which is what people are concerned about!! All you do at the moment is to pour more oil into the fire and make it appear like there is something wrong (concerning game rules) about scamming.

@ISD_Sakimura

If I were you I’d remove the image from Reddit or you might find your account banned.

Oh sure will he? I guess that dev blog where they stated that no one gets banned for posting GM conversation recently was a lie then?

[zluq_zabaa]

@Ima_Wreckyou

No, the starter systems are only special in regards to actual new players which are doing the tutorial and not if you scam a 4bil citadel. Please stop making up rules which do not exist.

The only scam that happened here is OP and his alt/victim is managing to convince a GM to create 4B ISK out of thin air.

[Ima_Wreckyou]

I don’t even care about OPs story. I do care however if a certain ISD repeatedly misrepresents the game rules and spreads pure misinformation about stuff which can make you lose access to the game.

[zluq_zabaa]

Yeah true, this shouldn’t happen. Scamming is an integral part of EVEs gameplay and it should be left alone.

However, we might be at the point where we need to get some clarification by @CCP_Falcon about the issue.

[Ima_Wreckyou]

@zluq_zabaa

However, we might be at the point where we need to get some clarification by @CCP_Falcon about the issue.

Lol, he will probably just close the thread and not comment on anything. If you can be sure of one thing them that they back each other no matter how stupid the decision was, which is understandable given they are colleagues which work together and we are just some annoying customers forum trolls, who are concerned about the rules of the game they play.