Can this Gila fit do Level 4 missions?

Jassra · October 1, 2020, 3:42pm

Returning player after a few years, Omega clone, flying a Gila in PvE security missions, level 3 at the moment. All related skills are at least level 4, magic 14 are at 4 or 5.

So I wonder, will this gila do level 4 missions, or should I do mission specific hardeners? Or should I forget it and get a boring Raven?

With my skills, it lists 683 DPS (drones and missiles combined), 35.5k EHP, 207EHP/sec sustained recharge

[Gila, My Gila]

Type-D Restrained Shield Power Relay
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Denny Enduring Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Multispectrum Shield Hardener II
10MN Afterburner II

Prototype ‘Arbalest’ Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Inferno Light Missile
Prototype ‘Arbalest’ Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Inferno Light Missile
Prototype ‘Arbalest’ Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Inferno Light Missile
Prototype ‘Arbalest’ Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Inferno Light Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I

Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II

Hammerhead II x2
Hammerhead II x2
Vespa II x4

Lis_Torin · October 1, 2020, 3:56pm

Change tracking link for second hardener and use 3 DDA.

If you know what you are doing. You shouldn’t have issues. Just remember that gila is slow for missions and way more boring than raven.

Buoytender_Bob · October 1, 2020, 4:12pm

Agree that it is doable, but slow with a Gila. Also, there is a reoccuring drone bug were occsssionally your drones will be primaried and can be easily lost if ordered to straight line in a distant target.
It would definately make most missions needed to be watched carefully and actively managed. Have fun!

Jassra · October 1, 2020, 4:30pm

Thanks guys! I’ll have to monkey with a raven fit then, cause the one I have seems to have very little more damage and tank than my gila (probably due to my skills), is MUCH slower, but has better range. And my raven is pretty standard – active shield tank, cruise missiles

Lis_Torin · October 1, 2020, 5:41pm

Gila > Poor skill BS.

If you have bad skills for your battleship. Use gila instead. You probable will make more isk. You need at lest ship skill at least lvl 3, missiles skills lvl 3-4, t2 tanks (meta x-large shield booster will work for start).

I did, not so long ago progression from gila to raven with new character. On raven your DPS is best tank. Watch for triggers and aggro as less NPC’s as mission allows. MJD is ussles. Go with MWD. If incoming DPS is to much, turn MWD for few cycles and pull range. You won’t be cap stable so prefer using range over shield booster until you will learn in what rooms you have enough tank/cap to just slowboat to gate and kill everything around.

When flying gila. Beware of elite frigates. If they gonna web you and point, you gonna eat DPS like sponge and die fast. They are your number one priority.

Edit: if you aim for more active gameplay. Consider rattlesnake as future upgrade

Chainsaw_Plankton · October 2, 2020, 2:47am

Gila looks fine to me, tank might be an issue in some of the harder missions but should be enough to speed tank most missions, and if you pull range probably all of them. as said kill the webbing targets asap. Probably worth fitting a little more tank or damage depending on which mission you pull.

Raven might be an upgrade but you really need to have your skills up to use it well. Cruise need decent skills to hit well. And if you aren’t hitting well then yea the gila will be doing more real damage.

the plus side of a raven is you can fit a micro jump drive and mainly focus on doing damage

Kebast_Silvermoon · October 2, 2020, 4:18am

If you’re already focused on missiles and drones, I’ve found nothing better than the rattlesnake. Increased my clear times my an amazing amount. I’m using a rapid heavy build.

Sara_7 · October 2, 2020, 5:31am

As posted above - the GILA is an exercise in actively looking at what is going on and will require that you look after frigates etc. The raven on the other hand is a much more AFK style of play with your DPS and range being able to clear most stuff away well before you start taking damage from it. That said, some missions will land you in the thick of things anyway so you do need an MWD to run away and get that precious buffer of 70+km.

As a meaty alternative have you considered the trusty old Cruise Typhoon (and for the rich, Cruise TFII)

With only mediocre T2 bling in the lows you can achieve very reasonable rates for L4 with minimal effort.

[Typhoon, Typhoon test copy]

Low Slot:
Large Armor Repairer II
Explosive Armor Hardener II
Multispectrum Energized Membrane II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Capacitor Flux Coil II

Med Slot:
500MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Parallel Enduring Target Painter
Astro-Inertial Compact Missile Guidance Computer, Missile Precision Script

High Slot:
‘Arbalest’ Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
‘Arbalest’ Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
‘Arbalest’ Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
‘Arbalest’ Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
‘Arbalest’ Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
‘Arbalest’ Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I

Rigs:
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Acolyte II x5
Hornet II x6
Vespa II x5

Obviously you can change out the hardeners for whatever flavour of damage you expect to be facing.

I haven’t specialised in cruise missiles but even so it does 621 dps and is cap stable running either LAR II or MWD

A missile specialist would get higher dps of course. I reckon this might be cheaper than the average T2 raven fit as well but I haven’t tested that yet

Gaius_Mileghere · October 2, 2020, 11:57am

[Praxis, ]
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Co-Processor II

X-Large Shield Booster II
Large Cap Battery II
Multispectrum Shield Hardener II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Multispectrum Shield Hardener II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Multispectrum Shield Hardener II

‘Arbalest’ Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I
‘Arbalest’ Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I
‘Arbalest’ Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I
‘Arbalest’ Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I
‘Arbalest’ Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I
‘Arbalest’ Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I

Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Praetor II x4

Mjolnir Auto-Targeting Heavy Missile I x29648
Guristas Scourge Heavy Missile x4946

860+dps using autotracking missiles (975 with the faction ones) and heavy drones. 1200+ehp/s active cap stable tank. Take the tank to over 2k ehp/s by using a pith x-type xlsb and c-type hardeners.

Jassra · October 2, 2020, 2:15pm

[quote=“Sara_7, post:8, topic:270878, full:true”]
As posted above - the GILA is an exercise in actively looking at what is going on and will require that you look after frigates etc. The raven on the other hand is a much more AFK style of play with your DPS and range being able to clear most stuff away well before you start taking damage from it. That said, some missions will land you in the thick of things anyway so you do need an MWD to run away and get that precious buffer of 70+km.[/quote]

Yeah, I found some info on this type of builds. It sounds like a lot more fun than the usual tank-and-spank playstyle that I’m used to. Since I’m not quite ready to lose a few raven hulls learning this, I’ma start with a Caracal builds to learn to distance-tank, but this will be my new goal, I think!
Thank you!

Kebast_Silvermoon · October 2, 2020, 3:15pm

I like the cruise range praxis over the RHML version, but both with well. It was hard to find something better actually. I did like the typhoon, but it’s just barely better than the praxis until you invest some skills there. With everything at level 4, i saw about a 15% i improvement.
The rattlesnake is about 2x improvement over the praxis

Gaius_Mileghere · October 3, 2020, 10:45am

the snake is good, but it ain’t that good.

I’d give it a 1.4x dps improvement at best, for about the same tank. You could go 2x BUT you’re talking officer fit mids, c3-x type ballistics and augmented ogres or a gecko.

Kebast_Silvermoon · October 3, 2020, 4:28pm

The resists on the rattle really make a big difference. Sure 2x is probably an exaggerated amount, but it certainly feels that much better

UseDeath · October 4, 2020, 7:01am

Hello! tell a newbie. Which ship is worth exploring for the fastest possible cleanup of lvl 4 missions? tengu? rattle snake? Raven? I can’t choose where to go. and what weapon is most effective for this.

Lis_Torin · October 4, 2020, 7:22am

machariel for blitzing missions

Gaius_Mileghere · October 4, 2020, 7:49am

I did an experiment earlier. I got 1100dps out of a rattlesnake and shy of 1700hp/s shield boost. Using the SAME MODULES, plus an extra RHML, extra flux coil and an extra shield hardener… I got the SAME TANK and the SAME DAMAGE OUTPUT on the praxis, for 400mill ISK LESS.

(said Praxis, just prior to the upgrade, withstood sustained attack from a Vedmak, a Sabre, a Loki, and two Stilettos, for a good twenty minutes before they disengaged, the Vedmak deep into structure. Only damage to the Praxis was 9 dead Praetors).

Lis_Torin · October 4, 2020, 8:39am

Compare EHP since this is where RS bonus shine. Both ships don’t have boost bonuses so obviously you will get same boost values. Resist makes difference.

Kebast_Silvermoon · October 4, 2020, 1:14pm

Show me your fits? Also, it’s not all about on paper DPS, you have to look at damage application too.

Gaius_Mileghere · October 4, 2020, 1:39pm

Didn’t I already say SAME TANK??

Lis_Torin · October 4, 2020, 3:01pm

You can say whatever you want. But that doesn’t make it truth. Well, since your only argument is yelling at people. I’m not surprised you don’t understand difference in ship bonuses.