Says who? Do asteroids suddenly give ISKs?
If this was even remotely true then miners would have the right to mine asteroids in complete peace. And we know that’s not the case.
I started running abyss sites the moment they hit Sisi. Once they went live I ran them until themarket on the stuff crashed during the initial novelty phase when it was profitable. Even then, I did not run any L5s on TQ due to all the obvious factors, a couple L4s, but mostly L3s. L3s were the mainstay, occasionally I would go down to an L2 or up to L4. All together I have ran in range of 250-300 of them, around there.
You on the other hand are spewing such idiotic nonsense, that I can immediately tell that you havent done even a single solid streak of L3s, not to mention any L4s or L5s. In fact, I’d be surprised if you even ever tried out any L1s and are just trolling and spewing complete bull fkn sht.
You keep bringing up HS vs LS vs NS risk vs reward, this is a good concept practiced in many games and it does work. More advanced players go for the riskier activities, game regions etc. But there is a difference between having 1.5 or 2 or even 3x the rewards, vs for having 50 times the rewards, quite literally. The scale of it is rigtht down idiotic and needs to be brought back down to where it makes actual sense.
Next, since you haven’t ran a single site or maybe the super lowbie ones at best, you have no clue what it is when you say risk vs. reward. Or you would know and be awere, that in too many cases there is only risk and no reward. It has nothing to do with instant whatever. It has to do with content being accessible and simply and plainly enjoyable, for at least a large portion of average players. Sure, keep the L5s up on top and have them for teh advanced players with more advanced ships etc. L3s and L4s should be the mainstay with L1s and L2s the training wheels. There are simple not enough people running the content, I know the idea of something actually fun and enjoyable actually escapes you and its so far above you that you can’t even possibly comprehend because its not ingrained with your goon or PL or whatever else your fav powerblock is mentality so its pointless to discuss or debate it.
The bottom line is the content has become basically Resource Wars 2.0. Too few people are doing it for too few reasons alltogether. And on top of that, it has all been predicted and brought up exactly and precisely as it is happening, by many of us. Not hard to go through the test server sub-forum if anyone cares and check.
On top of that, there are still a lot of spawn bugs, as well as pathing / scripting bugs that are happening and again, have been since day 1 on Sisi and are still not fixed. But of course since you don’t run these then you have no clue what they are or how they affect the longterm viability of the content, and naturally you make default and false statements with regards to them.
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Pretty much how it was explained to me, thanks for such a wonderful post.
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No, you are. You don’t need to run the Abyss. You can play the game as before and don’t have to go anywhere near it.
But because you choose to stick your nose into it and got it beaten bloody do you now complain. It’s entirely your own fault.
You’re then hung up on it and think you somehow deserve a reward for just participating in it. You don’t. You don’t deserve a single reward when you fail, and the point of the Abyss is to punish you hard for failing. And yet you continue to ram your head into it like a brick wall.
There is no helping you.
I won’t be buying Abyss modules from you, because you fail and for no other reason. You don’t deserve a single ISK.
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You are one sad person, go away!
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So says the scrub that can’t even get into a ship necessary to run one, much less actually completing it.
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I already told you that nobody has to go into the Abyss. That’s your mistake. Instead, you think everyone should be able to get in there and loot the best stuff ever.
Nobody can help you. You deserve all the punishment the Abyss can give you.
It’s becoming a joy to watch you people fail and complain about it. And then you even sell your loot for cheap. It’s marvelous.
reading and comprehension is hard, this is what he said:
You are trolling and you should suffer a forum ban for such obvious trolling Whitehound!
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Not at all. You need to suffer the Abyss until you learn to get it right. I’m merely laughing at your ignorance.
The Abyss is the punishment for your greed.
Troll!
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Be upset and annoyed at me, that’s fine. But the real troll is the player who believes they should always get to keep their spaceship and never die.
Why should something, which is true for PvP not also apply for PvE? It’s high-end PvE after all and you’re not playing WoW.
I am not upset or annoyed with you, I just think you are trolling.
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Well, you also believe one should be able to do Abyss T4/T5 as Alpha. 
You said that not me, you are simply trolling again and you should feel bad about yourself.
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Right. Every ISKs in the game comes from the bounties in the first place. There won’t be such thing as buy Plex for RL cash and sell it for in game currency if there were not bounties in the first place. You are ignorant if you think otherwise.
This. The risk vs reward ratio is really bad.
Another major problem: The unreliable servers. Server performans is just … abymsal since the March update. Lags, disconnects and bugs like the warp tunnel stuck bug can happen anytime. I have almost died to regular mission and gate rats a few times, for example because of socked closed error a few seconds after activating the bastion module. Much fun! Another fun bug: Getting stuck in the warp tunnel between gates. The animation never ends, overview is empty, you cant do anything, BUT rats and players can see and shoot you.
These kind of issues mean certain death in abysmal sites and you have 0 chance of reimbursement. (Ships lost in abysmal space can never be reimbursemed according to CCP.)
Conclusion: Running abyssal sites is a waste of time and money.
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You’ve said it. Why else did you say it if it wasn’t on your mind?
There is no rule in all of EVE that says Abyss or any particular PvE content has to pay ISKs, which is what you were implying. If you want something out of the Abyss then you will first have to invest into it and you shouldn’t assume one could simply fly in there and come out with loot more valuable than anything before.
Seriously bad attempt at trolling, how you can extrapolate to that from what I said is either a serious issue in terms of your critical reasoning, or you are trolling. You managed to extrapolate that from me saying that as an Alpha I have not run the sites, not once have I called for them to be made easier. It is all in your mind or you are trolling.
Then please explain why you wrote this:
Sorry brother but I disagree, if PvE content doesn’t generate positive ISK gain in one way or another then it’s not worth running. That’s why Resource Wars and FOB’s failed.
The Abyssal content is suppose to be Eve’s premier PvE content right now. As such it should definitely be giving large ISK return for the extreme cost that’s required to engage in that content.
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