ha ha i hope they dont change anything!!
i hope that the plex price goes up to 5 million each
make me space rich!!!
btw. there is a other thread about the same stuff … guess this thread should be locked or the other … dublicate posting …
I have cleaned up some posts in this thread. Please be respectful and post constructively.
Here’s a cute gif:
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Jita Contracts Generally Offer Transparent and Measurable Enticements!
I’m sure that @Ramona_McCandless and @yellow_parasol share this view, but perhaps I presume too much.
It’s unlikely that CCP will step in to massage PLEX prices downwards as the OP seems to expect, because EVE is floor-to-ceiling and wall-to-wall PvP throughout all of New Eden. Long may it remain so!
That said, there’s 15% off in the Store, so that’s a welcome seasonal gift.
I call it a draw!
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aaaand Salvos matter-of-factly asserts another false claim. Huge surprise!
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Which shows you didnt understand the impetus of my suggestion of ingame PLEX rewards, which I detailed at great length, or have a vested PLEX interest in it rising.
To CCP, it makes no difference if its a new PLEX, or a paid one. I explained how its simpler to simply issue a new PLEX than re-issue an existing confiscated PLEX.
Ive gone over all of your rebuttals, time and time and again, considered them all and defeated them.
Im not stupid. I read them all, and responded to them all, yet you keep insisting that I havent either considered or answered them. I have. If you didnt read them or ignored them for whatever reason, thats on you.
You have no evidence that all Buddy/Event PLEX from CCP was paid for.
As you have no evidence, the “All PLEX is paid for” myth cannot be affirmed.
If there is no evidence to prove such an axiom, it cannot be true, nor assumed to be so.
I’m done with making my arguments, this thread is peppered with them but also drowned because of them.
I have nothing else to add that I haven’t already said.
Im tired of dealing with people who either havent read my posts, didnt understand them , or have an agenda to subvert them by repeated questioning of what was already answered.
PS: My military training went very well. Example: my unit during practice raised our signals mast for RH-IV deployment 20mins faster than the two other participating units, in a task where the target time is 30mins, all participant where NCO or + and had received the exact same preliminary training. I’m now a platoon leader in a first-call spearhead marine brigade organization.
PSS: I am not a stupid or incapable individual. If you dont understand what Im saying, ask. But I promise you, in 99% of cases, Ive already thought it through.
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Or maybe, as everyone agreed, it was impossible to release an amount of quantitive easing into the PLEX market with such statistically tiny amounts.
And you have yet to provide evidence of the existence of event PLEX in the first place. You think its important, then you provide it. Im not looking on your behalf. “Google it” indeed.
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why does everyone think ccp is going to do something about plex price, if plex stop being bough for isk until pa certain pricerices drop, than the prices will be forced to drop
This is a misrepresentation of how the proposal was responded to:
- That it harms CCPs PLEX/sub revenue, which if, as I REPEATEDLY gave mitigating options for, can be handled.
- My argument, was that PLEX price needs to be held back, as long as possible, before the impending plateau/burst. This is what you antagonists and/or PLEX profiteers dont understand and arent thinking far enough.
- Only a trickle is needed to offset the inevitable, as a factor against (in my view) decreasing amounts of PLEX purchase from CCP. My suggestion was not intended to reduce the PLEX price growth to zero, just to add a small degree of friction.
4)Furthermore, as I explained at length, there are other advantages to a trickle of in-game player introduced PLEX units for retention of new players, more acters on the PLEX market, and more dispersal of isk wealth (especially to newer players for their PLEX unit sales).
Again, Ive already considered, answered and covered all of this.
Outside data that only CCP has, my logic is sound.
I have considered my proposal and the PLEX situation a great deal.
All of it boils down to the fact that the inevitable PLEX plateau must be forestalled, before its too late, and the market starts to collapse onto itself as there is no longer enough new introduction of PLEX (or sub, which is the primary purchase).
I cannot stress this enough. I do not say this flippantly, or as trolling, or out of personal PLEX interest. I say this genuinely as my analysis of an impending threat to this games PCU health and CCPs revenue from either subs or PLEX.
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OK then I edit my previous statement thusly;
Or maybe, as everyone but you agreed, it was impossible to release an amount of quantitive easing into the PLEX market with such statistically tiny amounts. People who buy PLEX to sell are not going to stop because they could win 50 PLEX on a scratchcard lootbox drop.
And I sincerly believe that you are telling the truth. But that doesnt make it cast iron in the face of no data. Its a hypothesis that we all have had issues with different parts of.
Read above and my previous posts.
I specifically listed various means whereby the influx of in-game earned PLEX can be moderated by CCP at any time they choose.
Now, you and some other dishonest posters claim it would be “insufficient” towards the goal I expressed. Yet others argued it was denying CCP revenue. That, to me, shows my proposal was exactly where it should be, as a median between those two critiques.
The rise in PLEX need not be stopped, only slowed, and preferably in a way which involves new players and Alphas, as I wrote a goddam essay on earlier in this thread that apparently you didnt read.
Im not responsible for your ignorance. Im not paid to educate you.
Event PLEX was issued as reward for in-game action without purchase from CCP or players on the in-game market.
Do your own fking homework before you claim me wrong.
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ffs Salvos I try to be reasonable with you and you cant reply without flipping your wig.
You want to use some event as evidence then its up to you to provide the evidence.
Otherwise I call BS on it existing.
Salvos has no understanding of just how much plex is traded on a daily basis, none of his ideas will result in cheaper plex which is a fact.
He chooses to ignore the fact there are so many products rolled into plex and that this will affect the price due to it being a combined value. Yes isk is easier to earn than it was so naturally people want more isk for their plex.
Normally when people have ideas they must first find out the variables of the subject matter. If approx 2.5 million nuplex are traded on the forge market daily then how would 30k more plex per day (introduced by players being rewarded for missions) make a difference? Also the forge is only 1 reigon, the amount of nuplex traded in all regions daily is massive.
I didnt flip anything.
Im back from a great military training and finally relaxing with some beers.
I know PLEX event rewards are real.
Im not responsible or paid to provide you with that data.
Find it yourself.
Again, another guy that didnt read or understand the impetus of my proposal, or overall points on PLEX.
The issue is not making PLEX “cheaper”.
Its about slowing its price increase, to the advantage of every one involved, equitably.
As I said before, Aaron, it seems you arent understanding ehat Ive boiled this down to.
As before, the invite to discuss this in voice is still open. Record it and invite participants (as long as they remain silent) as you wish.
You are asking all the wrong questions and repeating concerns I have already addressed and reconciled.
I know what you’ve written and i have a full understanding of what you originally conveyed, I’ve read your answers to questions and still do not agree.
Your ideas on this topic are very poor and ignore many facts related to the subject matter.
No point going on comms for this subject because you haven’t suggested anything realistic or workable. You have a poor understanding of how Eve is supported financially and you tend to get abusive when someone doesn’t agree with you.
In my real life I actually make it a point to listen more than I talk because that way I am much clearer on whats being said and therefore can achieve a better understanding enabling me to reply with the right/appropriate responses. If there’s something I’m unsure or wrong about then I need to research it before committing to a belief or course of action.
There are some things where right or wrong is a matter of perspective, an example is people believe it’s impossible to prosper in Stain playing solo, I believe it is possible…In order to find out why there are different views we would have to dig deeper, we could then go ahead and look at how I have played the game as a solo survivalist in stain so I would obviously find it easier than the person who only lives in hi sec. we could exchange views and develop an understanding on the subject.
The things you are trying to debate are “matter of fact” , you suggested plex be introduced to the game by pilots doing a type of combat site in game and plex being the reward. The fact is CCP will lose money if that suggestion is followed to its logical conclusion. You don’t realise this point isn’t up for debate due to the way in which Eve is set-up.
So I hope you can see the difference between “matter of Perspective” and “matter of fact”
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Yes it is. The burden of proof is on the claimant.
15 seconds on google. Now stop being silly.
So why was it so hard for him to tell me even the name of this?
Surely he would have known what this was when he began.
Now that we know this, we are supposed to believe that this minute amount of PLEX has any real affect on the market?
Lol ok.
Because you were clearly being lazy and arguing over it simply to pick a fight.
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DO you take someones word on something without knowing the facts?
His mention of it (with no name date etc) was the first Id heard of it, so I asked what it was called so I could look it up. GIven the energy he has put in to making a case based around this, it would be the first thing Id want to know.
Maybe he can tell me when the TQ event ran as that link appears refer to the Singularity one. IF they are part of the same thread then mia culpa.