SP farms create demand while the supply doesnāt change, it is impossible for it to not drive up prices. That other (temporary) factors are able to mask an effect for a while does not mean it is not there.
There are no numbers on how much Plex goes to skill injectors instead of Plex. We can only make a rough estimate by looking at market trade volumes (which is inaccurate because of retrading)
Daily Jita skill injector volume is around 5000
Plex volume is 1,500,000 or so
If every large skill injector takes 237 plex to make (assumption, 125 plex for sub when extracted 4 times a month, and 112 for the extractor) then the Plex equivalent of what is traded daily is 1,185,000.
Now like I said it is hard to accurately assess these numbers, but I think it demonstrates that skill injectors are a MAJOR consumer of PLEX.
Nothing was changed on the supply side so prices have nowhere to go but up.
But unless Iām mistaken you want lower plex prices donāt you?
So I assume youāre not actually complaining about that one
Youāre not actually trying to claim or imply theyāve ever interfered to increase the in-game price of PLEX (in ISK) I assume?
If not then the relevance of that comment is more than a little suspect
Which has as much relevance to the issue as the price of eggs has to this subject.
It all boils down to time spent grinding in-game for ISK (to buy those PLEX) the mineral costs.
Drop rates & the rest of the framework we operate in (edit: including those blueprint mineral costs) determines how much time it will take to get that ISK which informs how much ISK (thus their time) a player will be willing to part with for PLEX.
So CCP have nothing to do with the price of PLEX being high or low⦠not in relation to time spent accumulating that ISK, thatās entirely a player driven market.
The only interference you can come up with from CCP is to artificially depress the price a little on a few occasions, never to increase it.
So any argument CCP is responsible for high PLEX prices (in ISK) is spurious at best
No none of them are.
If you donāt like market PVP just sub with real world cash
You are making the mistake thinking that JCās post is about something it actually isnāt.
JC was making a statement and backed it up pretty well. Any addition, whatsoever, influences the market and CCP decides the base values (example: mineral build costs), which means they do control the market in some ways, but not as has been talked about in the bigger context.
That changes nothing about JCās statement, that CCP has control over the market. They have, to a certain degree and constantly influence one or the other. That doesnāt necessarily mean they directly set prices, but it does mean a certain amount of control over base prices, unless the market just dumps below production cost.
Example: The new base price for a changed loot drop is roughly predictable, based on playerās behaviour, which can be extrapolated from their previous behaviour.
You people seem to not be talking directly to eachother, but next to eachother.
ok So the new plex thing has been out for a few monthās now plex prices went from a stable 1.1bil to an astronomically absurd 1.8 1.9 for 500 plex bil this is Getting way way out of controll CCP can we get some alleviation
higher plex price = less leechers: less people who play despite declaring āthe gameās not worth any moneyā, less people who only hoard isk and stuff until they quit and, assuming ccp stops catering to those, then it results an increased amount of people who actually want to pay and consider the game to be worth it.
free2play has always been a cancer to MMOs, so this is a great way of filtering people who contribute nothing anyway and only want to consume, which do3snāt work for EVE. in case you believe that higher (player) numbers are always better, no matter what, then you probably also bought a GeForce 4 MX back in the days, because it had the higher amount of RAM.
i have been playing EVE with plex for over a decade now and while i pay with plex i am by no means a free player someone somewhere had to buy that plex and put it on the market id love to be a credit card warrior and pay with money but i donāt have that luxury i contribute to the game through isk generation and industry and battle
You forgot that plex-slave crabbers are the ones giving value to areas of space, mining, ratting etc. Even more so in next moon update. And are content at the same time. Best fights begin when a carebear gets tackled and people start to warp in kitchen sink to save it. Remove them and you are left with 1-4k āeliteā pvpers whining about empty systems and having to mine.
ISK generation doesnāt contribute to the game in any way, but it does, ironically, contribute to PLEX value inflation, so maybe stop doing that. āBattleā contributes only if itās PVP really, otherwise itās just more ISK generation. Industry does to an extent, but it depends on what kind of industry weāre talking about and what degree of contribution. At the end of the day, ISK trading > ISK generation. Destroying ISK does more the lower the price of PLEX than creating it does.
That being said, would you mind contributing some literacy to the forums and using some punctuation as well, please?
Did you know that proper use of punctuation is a sign that a person is able to think coherent, structured thoughts?
In no way or form was i addressing you personally. in no way or form does it matter who pays for the plex. iāll help you with some easy math, so hopefully people will stop parrotting the nonsense:
One person buys a (500) PLEX: 20 bucks for CCP.
One person uses that PLEX: 0 additional income for CCP.
Or:
One person buys PLEX: 20 bucks for CCP
Another person pays their sub with cash: 15 additional bucks for CCP
Or:
Both pay their sub with cash, or PLEX: 30, or 40 bucks for CCP.
You can figure out which of the three actually makes CCP more money and which one makes them less.
People usually donāt accept downgrading their standard of living. a good portion of those who complain about not being able to āplay4freeā just quit, because of their self entitlement. You can find these people easily, just by looking.
itās a problem, because they contribute nothing. zero. null. they just hoard, hoard, hoard and then quit the game once their lower instincts arenāt satisfied anymore. for example: people who rent, dock as soon as a cloaky camper is in system, and th3n complain about the e il man who isnāt even there.
Decide, first you complain that people who āuseā PLEX donāt contribute to CCP:
Now you complaining they are hoard, hoard, hoardā¦By your logic PLEX is useless item for CCP.
Actually I need 12 PLEX per year because Iām paying for omega. Iām creating demand for 12 PLEX = 240 bucks for CCP. If I subbed CCP will get 180 bucks. It doesnāt matter from who CCP get the money, company will earn 60 bucks less.
eeehhhh no, no one has to sub. and it changes nothing about the above. person A paying even more changes nothing about person B paying nothing. do you just ever write the first thing that comes to your mind, without a second thought?