If person two doesn’t buy the PLEX.
Person one doesn’t get the ISK he wanted, which was the reason he bought the PLEX.
Therefore, person one stops buying PLEX.
Therefore, CCP’s income does to some degree, depend on the guy who buys PLEX with ISK.
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so youre saying player a is an alpha account who sells plex for isk
sigh
your math is all wrong
so if player b contributes nothing
what does player a gain by selling plex
he just buys it for the fun of it i guess
like a donation to ccp with nothing in return
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no
2 subs = 30
1 sub + 1 plex = 35
unless its your funny example of alphas putting plex on the market
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I am saying that lots of people who are cash rich, but ISK poor buy PLEX to sell on the market to earn ISK.
People who do not want/are unable to pay with cash to play buy those PLEX to activate their accounts.
If those people didnt buy PLEX with ISK, then the people who pay CCP for PLEX with cash would have no reason to do so.
Therefore, it is wrong to say that people who PLEX their accounts have zero effect on CCP’s income.
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And now (500) plex are close to two billion isk. if it weren’t so easy to make that amount of money by farming, then i would totally agree with you. supply, though, doesn’t seem to keep up with demand, which means it’s not working as it did before.
when it’s too easy to farm isk, then people will rather farm isk than paying money for said isk. as there’s apparently lots of easy farming happening, why would people spend money for plex when they can farm it mostly afk anyway?
considering that new players might spend the money for quick cash is fair and correct, but this gets completely broken by all those people who teach new players how to easily farm tons of money.
i’m all willing to admit that i’m wrong, but i see no indication that i am. hell, i love being wrong just like i love losing at chess. i can’t grow smarter by being right and it’s boring af. and i suck at chess, have only started again recently and i’m getting my ass kicked. lol
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Skill extractors and the ability to buy skins with PLEX have increased demand.
Therefore the price has increased.
This was easily predictable, so one has to assume that CCP intended for it to happen.
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It doesn’t matter if other guy didn’t provide the money, I provide it for him. It’s win-win situation for CCP because they will earn more that way than two people using subscriptions.
plus it’s summer season and players usually put their ISK into nonrisk items like PLEX.
You may be underestimating the number of people who are cash rich and time poor.
For some people dropping a grand on a pile of plex requires no more thought than buying a beer…
what does this have to do with the number of people who sub
are you saying people who sub with plex are generating more demand for plex than those who dont
how can you possibly know that
hey, that could be the case. hm.
from what i’ve read about f2p games, usually less than 10% of people spend the biggest piles of money, keeping the games alive. this is for games where people can buy actual advantages, though, which isn’t a thing in eve. i’m not sure this works out well here.
What’s not to get? He’s talking about a very specific kind of player that the game is better off without. The game’s design tries to filter them out by making it harder to generate and hoard large volumes of isk with little to no effort and/or risk. That’s not to say it succeeds in all cases, but things could be a lot worse, and PLEX could be a lot more expensive right now if that kind of gameplay/player wasn’t a design consideration. I’m really not sure if your misunderstanding on this matter is one from incredulity, lack of experience, or both, but it’s not that hard to understand if you pay attention to the socioeconomics of the game.
Nobody started as a tycoon. There was much to do and learn for every ISK hoarder, much work behind such a career. Don’t underestimate the motivational effect of the possibility of becoming rich as fxck.
That was my point, my dude. Maybe re-read what I actually wrote and pay attention to the part where I talk specifically about how the game is designed to make becoming that rich an arduous process, full of risk and effort, and not an easy one.
I don’t see how I could have been any clearer, really.
That being said, regardless of the effort that went into it, if that ISK isn’t being used by the player that owns it, and all they do is accumulate more and more without risking it in PVP or the actual spaceship game that it’s meant to be for, then they aren’t doing the game any favours.
i doubt it will make any difference at all
all it will do is delay the increase of plex price slightly
so instead of 500 plex costing 2.2b in the next 14 days
it will cost 2.2b in 17 days instead
probably something like that but i’m using hypothetical time scale
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right so youre saying hoarded isk is causing more inflation
but it doesnt generate interest
and actually loses value the longer it is hoarded
its not in the interest of the player to hoard isk
but it is in their interest to hoard plex
because plex is a scarce resource and isk is being generated at higher rates
prices go up because the market gets flooded with isk
which lowers the value of isk
hoarded isk doesn’t lower the value of isk as it isnt circulated in the economy
hoarding isk is like an isk sink as it is effectively removed from the economy while it is hoarded
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Unfortunately, no change to the current situation - the extra supply is simply snapped up immediately by the profiteers and re-listed at the inflated prices. You’d think that the ceiling would then at least lower - but it won’t, it MIGHT keep rising a bit slower for a brief time, but keep rising it shall. As mentioned by others, the SP farming thing is an issue, and as are the disproportionate bounties in NullSec creating the lopsided faucet that benefits a few with its increased income, but punishes EVERYONE with inflationary pressure on key commodities. However, what makes it all so much worse is the fact that PLEX can be bought off the market and then re-listed on the market - THAT REALLY needs to stop, as that is driven by pure greed on the part of players who are not even USING a significant portion of the PLEX they turn over in market-flipping.
As for the one saying that players who Omega via in-game PLEX purchases don’t contribute to CCP’s income (you know who you are!), that’s utterly absurd and patently un-thought-through.
“One person buys a (500) PLEX: 20 bucks for CCP.
One person uses that PLEX: 0 additional income for CCP.”
Superficially, yes(ish), but mostly ‘no’. One person uses that PLEX = (indirectly, assuming continued participation) the demand for replacement of that PLEX in 30 days’ time - and guess what? That next PLEX has to be purchased from CCP, constituting “additional income”. When PLEX gets bought in-game and sat on, THAT is “no additional income for CCP” (although it’s an unused service already paid-for, in any case.)
It can be argued that Alphas “don’t contribute meaningfully”, and even there that’s not 100% true, as they contribute “content” to the game - they buy and sell goods and minerals, they provide targets to gankers, they provide cannon-fodder to fleets, and they generally just keep the tumbleweeds from taking over just by passing through, making New Eden look more lived-in…
In any case: isn’t all this just becoming repetition of the “PLEX is expensive thread”? I think I’d best disable topic tracking for this one - it’s inevitably going to end up redundant (no offence to the Original Poster.)
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With SP extractors many people started to PLEX single purpose alts where they previously purchased a subscription, simply because it is convenient enough to extract once a month and get a new PLEX with the sold extractors.
This was predicted when they first revealed their plans for SP extraction and now seams to be in full effect.
Sucks if you still don’t have enough SP right? Basically this allowed older players to get tons of free accounts while people who grinded for PLEX saw the prices explode.
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I started to play 20 april 2017, isk earning is very easy,
I did take a year sub for 10,95 a month and did buy some Plex and onetime the premium gift pack,
I have make enough isk with it so that I never need anymore to buy plex for isk.
and have bought back the Plex I had bought sitting now unused in my vault
And im a casual player and do not play the isk/hr game but just enjoy everything the game me give
I find plex not to expensive it is good that players use real money for plex get the best value for the plex and the ones that play for free a lesser value then the person who bought the plex with real money.
2 billion for 500 plex seems me a good amount for plex buyer and the player that wants to plex omega
The reason PLEX are spiralling upward right now is that null is safe and people with tens of billions of ISK (not the mega rich, not the trillionaires) project that that will continue.
They see the sick ISK being made by carrier and supercarrier ratters and think
“Twenty injectors to polish off needed skills on my dreadnought alt, and buy a Nyx hull, and I can make that ISK too. I have enough ISK if I sell most of my stuff.”
They might be right, they might be wrong, but whatever the case, the twenty injectors (probably made by an SP farm) get used, and those cost someone about 5000 miniPLEX to create.
Maybe their Nyx becomes an ALOD, but if not, their success serves as an example to others. “You too can invest 15b ISK in injectors and 20b in a super, and make back all of it in just (insert unreasonalby low estimate HERE) hours of ratting”.
If CCP intervene in the market somehow, all they will succeed in doing is making it cheaper and more lucrative to follow suit. No realistic PLEX injection will seriously lower prices.
The core of the problem is that rats are too weak for the liquid ISK payouts they offer, and null is too quiet to threaten capital ratters. CCP can fix one of these.
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