What do you mean by counter, on its own it is no real counter at all.
You have gone with the Teckos Pech retort of 10 x VNI’s, yes this would be tough for the normal sized BLOP’s gang if they were not properly fitted and were too cheap to have high grades, however there are many alliances that would just drop that and clean it up no sweat.
Carebear is used as an insult in Eve to define those who do not play the game as others think they should. And as your example shows it is pretty meaningless with such a wide range of use.
I answered your question, I am normally in fleet and normally on comms up to the point where there is no value in it due to lack of players. I also actively participate in home defence and hunting in our pocket.
So let me ask you do you define defending your space as being unable to catch and kill BLOP’s dropping in your space, this could also apply to people dropping dread bombs on Rorquals so would you say that the Goons are not defending their space on that basis and should go to hisec?
Because BLOPs drop don’t last very long before it’s too late to counter. If you drop on a tanky snake or similar, people in fleet might be able to react and help defend you, more so if you light a cyno and a fax alt rush jump in but anything more squishy will die before anyone can effectively warp to them which is why anyone know the best defense against it is to not be in space while they are active.
Also, nobody rat with 10 char in the same site because you end up spending more time in warp than shooting rats. Only smartbomb ratting really work for multi-char ratting in the same site.
In part, yes. I assume if you are in hostile space you’re ratting in PvP fit ships in groups in the same site. Additionally, I assume someone has a cyno to bring in more friends. Is that how you rat? Yes or no.
You can make an ally like Red vs Blue on wormhole space and kill each other. A healthier game for you is cancer for others, it’s all about perspective.
If there’s no value in being in a fleet, you’re PvE-ing wrong.
Carebear is a term used for people who avoid risk. Which you’re advocating every time you post. Nothing wrong with that, don’t be ashamed at how you play this game.
I say goons are absolutely not defending the majority of their space. Thanks for getting what I’ve been saying for so long. Why do you think I left goons? Way too many people in massive null alliances are very, very unwilling to fight for what they have.
Then why are you holding space in null if you aren’t going to defend it? Null means you should spend all your time in fleets, working to get isk for your space and working to defend it. Making ISK solo is a far distant second. Don’t like it? Don’t live somewhere that you decided to own a system.
Why do people want to change the game to make null about maximizing personal ISK generation instead of building and holding onto an empire like it was intended?
Null has become increasingly easy to live in. It’s recommended for new players anymore because of how easy it is to live in and how much more ISK you can make for no extra risk compared to HS. I’m suggesting getting rid of local to make null a challenge again. Most null corps hold too many systems, and game mechanics keep changing to let them hold more than they can actually defend. It’s long time to make null actually be dangerous. So again, get rid of local. NSers need to stop petitioning CCP to make things easier for that part of space. Easy isn’t the point behind null.
I’m curious why anyone in null would disagree with that, assuming they want to live in null for the challenge of owning space, and not just to have an easy place to live.
There are plenty of pilots willing to fight when reds show up, it’s just you guys don’t want to fight them.
So lets not pretend local means you have nothing to kill, there is plenty to kill, it’s just you can’t kill it. That’s why you are crying because the easy targets dock up.
There is a thing called timezones, which means players are on at different times of the day. Also, why would I bother doing anything in null if I needed 10 people to do it??? I’d make more ISK in high sec at that point.
So enjoy your empty null sec hunting without local, because PVE pilots are not interested in running sites in groups to make 20 mill ISK per hour. I don’t know what planet you live on to think removing local will improve hunting.
No. It’s more efficient to rat in disposable ships like VNI and have larger ships fit cynos. The ratters will claim a site for themselves each while remaining in standing fleet together, along with any PvP heads who happen to be lurking in friendly PvE space. When someone gets tackled the response depends on the value of the tackled ship, the availability of suitable response ships within the standing fleet and the availability of anyone willing to organize them at short notice.
Note that when i used to rat in lowsec i would rat in a PvP ship, but this fleet up mentality you describe is not the norm for ratting (nul) in my opinion.
Seriously, when we had the campaign by PL we were very organised and ready to react, but even then dealing with the very fast mass BLOP’s drop was very difficult, you are talking with someone who has done this stuff with people who are good.
So that is what you define as a carebear, I would suggest that it is meaningless, during the PL campaign I was using twin long range Confessors to blap small rats for ADM’s and never got caught, the only one I lost was trying to save some one. We also used SB’s get in blap rats get out, they just could not deal with it. I have a highly calibrated attitude towards risk, I take risks but its very calculated, though I am very happy at times to just go for it for fun, but being on the receiving end of a BLOP’s drop is not fun. Well I did lose a Vexor to 13 PL hot droppers, when caught I ejected and warped back, laughed at them dropping so many and told them that I had another nine of these Vexors to keep doing this, was funny.
This is an interesting response in terms of the Goons, and yes I agree with you, someone like the Goons could pay certain pilots to be in a fast response fleet, I am just amazed that no one ever does that, most people do it for no benefit, for example yesterday I took it on myself to be the eyes on yet another Thera WH in the same system and yet people still got caught…
As for not being dangerous, you assume that all space is like deep DRF space or Goons space in Delve (which is not that safe to be honest), we live in Catch and we have lost of people coming in, though less and less because we tend to kill them, is that because we defend our space, hell yes, but also because we use our systems well it attracts people. The thing is that the closer you are to low sec and hisec, the more risk you have. We chose Catch for that very reason.
EDIT: Provi have decided to camp us back, can’t say I blame them, so they are now being baited and killed, one engagement was massive over kill on our part, fun fun fun.
EDIT 2: And another over kill and a lot of keen BLOP’s on their space
sorry, pay pilots to be in a fast response fleet? What group of scrubs do you fly with? You own space in null, you volunteer to quickly respond to people who just got tackled because you want to defend your space.
You choose to live in risky space when you choose to live in null. I know this is hard for you to understand, but you can choose to move back to HS and live in safety. You want to live in null? Accept risk when PvE-ing. Given the example you continue to give of how risk-averse null sec pilots are, we can all agree we need to make it riskier by getting rid of local.
And to be clear, you got hot dropped in a vexor and were salty enough to leave the ship and laugh at them instead of simply take a trivial loss and throw a GF in local? Why are you in null in the first place Drac?
And why are you still replying to me? You’ve told me multiple times you quit EVE and blocked me.
Exactly the point ya mong. Who are you gonig to shoot when local is remove? The only players left will be those who want to fight you, in which case they are ready and waiting already. So go fight them and stop crying because you can’t find easy targets that are of no danger to you, you carebear.
Maybe, just maybe people will go out to PvP instead of PvEing. Or maybe, just maybe, people will PvE in bigger numbers so they can fight back if attacked.
You do realize PvP in this game is more than just ganking oblivious PvEers, right?
They will go to the easiest place to make ISK. If you make it too hard in null they will simply leave. Removing null will not create more opportunities for you to hunt.
The problem with null is not PVE players, it’s large alliances not doing anything.
removing local in null might mean less people in null, true. that’s far from a bad thing. Less people, but people who don’t run and dock 90% of the time is a far better game.
The problem with null is it’s so easy that risk averse people are able to live there without risk of losing their space, and everything they own in it.